Can't be true

[Cliff]

No one is that stupid, or are they?

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p47/KE4MIV/lawofphysics.jpg

Well, maybe.

[ZooFuzz]

"A zebra doesn't change its spots."
-- algore, 1992

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
-- algore, in CNN interview 3/09/1999

"Speaking from my own religious tradition in this Christmas season, 2,000 years ago a homeless woman gave birth to a homeless child in a manger because the inn was full."
-- algore, 12/22/1997 during a press conference on "homelessness"
(Mary and Joseph weren't homeless, al; they were traveling to Bethlehem due to a mandate from the government for the purposes of increasing tax roles. Caesar would have made a great democrat.)


"I tell you that Michael Jackson is unbelievable, isn't he. He's just unbelievable."
-- algore, as reported in The Chicago Tribune June 17, 1998 expressing his awe at the Chicago Bulls basketball superstar


"We can build a collective civic space large enough for all our separate identities, that we can be 'e pluribus unum' -- out of one, many. "
-- algore, in a January 1994 Milwaukee speech to the Institute of World Affairs. ('e pluribus unum' means out of many, one)


"In 50 years there will be no North Pole in the summertime."
-- algore on MTV's 'Choose or Lose' Town Hall Forum 9/26/2000
(apparently global warming will cause the earth to shift on its axis)

We are the President"-Hillary Clinton


"I voted for the 87 billion before I voted against it"-John Kerry

"Reporting for duty"-John Kerry
"I never had sex with that woman, ms Lewinsky"-Bill Clinton


"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
-Hillary Clinton



Stupid is as stupid does.

[Lakal]

..... gosh, I really do miss George sometimes.................;-)



"This is my maiden voyage. My first speech since I was the president of the United States and I couldn't think of a better place to give it than Calgary, Canada." --George W. Bush, as reported by the Associated Press, Calgary, Canada, March 17, 2009

"I'm going to put people in my place, so when the history of this administration is written at least there's an authoritarian voice saying exactly what happened." --George W. Bush, on what he hopes to accomplish with his memoir, as reported by the Associated Press, Calgary, Canada, March 17, 2009

"One of the very difficult parts of the decision I made on the financial crisis was to use hardworking people's money to help prevent there to be a crisis." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009
"I'm telling you there's an enemy that would like to attack America, Americans, again. There just is. That's the reality of the world. And I wish him all the very best." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009
"In terms of the economy, look, I inherited a recession, I am ending on a recession." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009


"I guess it's OK to call the secretary of education here 'buddy.' That means friend." --George W. Bush, Philadelphia, Jan. 8, 2009

"So I analyzed that and decided I didn't want to be the president during a depression greater than the Great Depression, or the beginning of a depression greater than the Great Depression." --George W. Bush, Washington D.C., Dec. 18, 2008
"People say, well, do you ever hear any other voices other than, like, a few people? Of course I do." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2008

"I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market system." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 16, 2008
"You know, I'm the President during this period of time, but I think when the history of this period is written, people will realize a lot of the decisions that were made on Wall Street took place over a decade or so, before I arrived in President." --George W. Bush, ABC News interview, Dec. 1, 2008
"I've been in the Bible every day since I've been the president." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Nov. 12, 2008

[General Jack Ripper]

I think there must be a problem with the D.C. water supply.

Or they are all just idiots.

[swampfox]

Then what would you say about the people who voted for them? And not just right now. It has always been pretty much this way.

It's just that lately voting out of principle (and I mean real principle, not something adopted from somebody else) will make you unpopular, especially in SC, and Lexco seems to be the hotbed.

[Lakal]

No one is that stupid, or are they?

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p47/KE4MIV/lawofphysics.jpg

Well, maybe.

By the way - I intended to point this out but forgot - this is of course one of those silly internet hoaxes. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/obamas-auto-team-the-laws-of-physics/

[Lakal]

Stupid is as stupid does[/b]. This stupid myth will simply not go away.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

People who believe all this stuff are, if not stupid, certainly naive. My father used to say "don't believe anything you read without checking and only believe half of what you see" I think there's a grain of truth in that.

[Captain Worley]

He didn't even "take the intitiative in creating the internet." DARPANET was started in 1969 or so. I was using the internet back in the late 80s at USC and was on AOL long before (1992) the time Uncle Al made his self serving statement (which I remember was regarded with high hilarity by the early netizens).

[Lakal]

I think this explains it better



Vint Cerf responded to MSNBC's questions about the Net's origins with this e-mail:

VP Gore was the first or surely among the first of the members of Congress to become a strong supporter of advanced networking while he served as Senator. As far back as 1986, he was holding hearings on this subject (supercomputing, fiber networks...) and asking about their promise and what could be done to realize them. Bob Kahn, with whom I worked to develop the Internet design in 1973, participated in several hearings held by then-Senator Gore and I recall that Bob introduced the term ``information infrastructure'' in one hearing in 1986. It was clear that as a Senator and now as Vice President, Gore has made it a point to be as well-informed as possible on technology and issues that surround it.
As Senator, VP Gore was highly supportive of the research community's efforts to explore new networking capabilities and to extend access to supercomputers by way of NSFNET and its successors, the High Performance Computing and Communication program (which included the National Research and Education Network initiative), and as Vice President, he has been very responsive to recommendations made, for example, by the President's Information Technology Advisory Committee that endorsed additional research funding for next generation fundamental research in software and related topics. If you look at the last 30-35 years of network development, you'll find many people who have made major contributions without which the Internet would not be the vibrant, growing and exciting thing it is today. The creation of a new information infrastructure requires the willing efforts of thousands if not millions of participants and we've seen leadership from many quarters, all of it needed, to move the Internet towards increased availability and utility around the world.
While it is not accurate to say that VP Gore invented Internet, he has played a powerful role in policy terms that has supported its continued growth and application, for which we should be thankful. We're fortunate to have senior level members of Congress and the Administration who embrace new technology and have the vision to see how it can be put to work for national and global benefit.

[BAD HaBiT]

The Fact Check Logo resembles the Obama Campaign Logo to me.


http://www.thedailygreen.com/cm/thedailygreen/images/wq/fact-check-logo-hog-lg.jpg

[Captain Worley]

I think this explains it better


Vint Cerf responded to MSNBC's questions about the Net's origins with this e-mail:

VP Gore was the first or surely among the first of the members of Congress to become a strong supporter of advanced networking while he served as Senator. As far back as 1986, he was holding hearings on this subject (supercomputing, fiber networks...) and asking about their promise and what could be done to realize them. Bob Kahn, with whom I worked to develop the Internet design in 1973, participated in several hearings held by then-Senator Gore and I recall that Bob introduced the term ``information infrastructure'' in one hearing in 1986. It was clear that as a Senator and now as Vice President, Gore has made it a point to be as well-informed as possible on technology and issues that surround it.
As Senator, VP Gore was highly supportive of the research community's efforts to explore new networking capabilities and to extend access to supercomputers by way of NSFNET and its successors, the High Performance Computing and Communication program (which included the National Research and Education Network initiative), and as Vice President, he has been very responsive to recommendations made, for example, by the President's Information Technology Advisory Committee that endorsed additional research funding for next generation fundamental research in software and related topics. If you look at the last 30-35 years of network development, you'll find many people who have made major contributions without which the Internet would not be the vibrant, growing and exciting thing it is today. The creation of a new information infrastructure requires the willing efforts of thousands if not millions of participants and we've seen leadership from many quarters, all of it needed, to move the Internet towards increased availability and utility around the world.
While it is not accurate to say that VP Gore invented Internet, he has played a powerful role in policy terms that has supported its continued growth and application, for which we should be thankful. We're fortunate to have senior level members of Congress and the Administration who embrace new technology and have the vision to see how it can be put to work for national and global benefit.



I'm not denying he had some part in it. Many people did. But by no means did he 'take the initiative in creating the internet."

Cerf even said 'continued growth and application.'

[Lakal]

The Fact Check Logo resembles the Obama Campaign Logo to me.


http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:jGUFdLkiV1tmaM:http://www.kristiangoddard.com/Obama%2520Campaign%2520Logo.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.kristiangoddard.com/Obama%2520Campaign%2520Logo.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.kristiangoddard.com/americanflag.html&usg=__Xcx6j7ratz9x-B60mHLCD0RR6Yw=&h=237&w=243&sz=68&hl=en&start=8&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=jGUFdLkiV1tmaM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=110&prev=/images%3Fq%3DObama%2Bcampaign%2Blogo%26hl%3Den%26r ls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7ADBF_en%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1)htt p://www.thedailygreen.com/cm/thedailygreen/images/wq/fact-check-logo-hog-lg.jpg
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:jGUFdLkiV1tmaM:http://www.kristiangoddard.com/Obama%2520Campaign%2520Logo.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.kristiangoddard.com/Obama%2520Campaign%2520Logo.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.kristiangoddard.com/americanflag.html&usg=__Xcx6j7ratz9x-B60mHLCD0RR6Yw=&h=237&w=243&sz=68&hl=en&start=8&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=jGUFdLkiV1tmaM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=110&prev=/images%3Fq%3DObama%2Bcampaign%2Blogo%26hl%3Den%26r ls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7ADBF_en%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1)


Yep - it is red, white and blue - it is modernistic in design - omigod! Alert the media!!

Really people!
Factcheck.org is run by the Anneberg Foundation, which is very conservative leaning and big supporter and contributor to John McCain

[Captain Worley]

Brace yourself for the inevitable comment that John McCain is not Conservative.

[BAD HaBiT]

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:jGUFdLkiV1tmaM:http://www.kristiangoddard.com/Obama%2520Campaign%2520Logo.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.kristiangoddard.com/Obama%2520Campaign%2520Logo.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.kristiangoddard.com/americanflag.html&usg=__Xcx6j7ratz9x-B60mHLCD0RR6Yw=&h=237&w=243&sz=68&hl=en&start=8&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=jGUFdLkiV1tmaM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=110&prev=/images%3Fq%3DObama%2Bcampaign%2Blogo%26hl%3Den%26r ls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7ADBF_en%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1)


Yep - it is red, white and blue - it is modernistic in design - omigod! Alert the media!!

Really people!
Factcheck.org is run by the Anneberg Foundation, which is very conservative leaning and big supporter and contributor to John McCain


I didnt mean it in a bad way.
just the lay out caught my eye.
In hind sight i guess i should have commented more in my original post.
Somehow I seem to remember one of his logo's with a check in it as well but i couldn't find it.
I can only do so much browsing and driving at the same time.
Currently I am doing 74 mph while typig this about 22 miles outside of Charleston on I-26.

[Lakal]

I didnt mean it in a bad way.
just the lay out caught my eye.
In hind sight i guess i should have commented more in my original post.
Somehow I seem to remember one of his logo's with a check in it as well but i couldn't find it.
I can only do so much browsing and driving at the same time.
Currently I am doing 74 mph while typig this about 22 miles outside of Charleston on I-26.

I was just teasing you, BH.

However, I am NOT teasing when I ask you to please drive safely - the stuff on here is not that important. Honestly. ( Besides that, it's quite possible there are LE people reading this;-) )

[Lakal]

Brace yourself for the inevitable comment that John McCain is not Conservative.

He's still a member in good standing with the Republican Party isn't he?

[Captain Worley]

I don't really know. I've heard a lot of grumbling about him, so I'm not sure about the good standing part. The conservatives don't care much for him.

[BAD HaBiT]

I was just teasing you, BH.

However, I am NOT teasing when I ask you to please drive safely - the stuff on here is not that important. Honestly. ( Besides that, it's quite possible there are LE people reading this;-) )

I do it day in and day out. Ive learned to type quite well with one hand.

Besides the "danger" factor is nothing compared to what I do to make living.



Take a gander @ this!

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m64/BAD_Habit07/MVC-839S.jpg

[Captain Worley]

Bet a paper airplane would go a long ways off that.

[RocDocsWife]

I do it day in and day out. Ive learned to type quite well with one hand.

Besides the "danger" factor is nothing compared to what I do to make living.



Take a gander @ this!

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m64/BAD_Habit07/MVC-839S.jpg

I just lost my stomach.....:puke:

[Cliff]

Oh, look at the rabbit down there.

[JDidGirl]

Uh-oh... what are you going to do BH when the law goes into effect and they ban texting while driving? Bad boy, bad boy... whatcha gonna do... whatcha gonna do?

[Lakal]

I do it day in and day out. Ive learned to type quite well with one hand.

Besides the "danger" factor is nothing compared to what I do to make living.



Take a gander @ this!

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m64/BAD_Habit07/MVC-839S.jpg


Yikes! That's a helluva bungie jump!

[Cliff]

Some climb too. Add tools and parts.
Theeeen there is the temperature....

Not me!

[BAD HaBiT]

Bet a paper airplane would go a long ways off that.
You know I never thought about that. Although there have been many things sent to the ground via "Air Mail".




I just lost my stomach.....:puke:

Yeah RDW it takes a Special Breed.





Oh, look at the rabbit down there.

No there aren't any Volkswagen's parked below.. All Fords!





Uh-oh... what are you going to do BH when the law goes into effect and they ban texting while driving? Bad boy, bad boy... whatcha gonna do... whatcha gonna do?
I guess try not to get caught. I dont see any differance as LE have the same set up I have in my truck. (A laptop stand w/ a Laptop.) That would be the pot calling the kettle black.



On another note sorry to take the thread off topic.
As you were~

[Captain Worley]

You know I never thought about that. Although there have been many things sent to the ground via "Air Mail".

I think you should give it a shot!

[General Jack Ripper]

I do it day in and day out. Ive learned to type quite well with one hand.

Besides the "danger" factor is nothing compared to what I do to make living.



Take a gander @ this!

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m64/BAD_Habit07/MVC-839S.jpg


Need any help??? Where do I apply?

[Cliff]

BH, I have been looking for the clip of the ticked off home owner at 200 ft.
The one that was buzzing ya.

[BAD HaBiT]

BH, I have been looking for the clip of the ticked off home owner at 200 ft.
The one that was buzzing ya.
Check your email.

[Cliff]

Seems there was more to it then that.
Didn't it keep coming back?
Or did you cut it because of the four letter words?

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p47/KE4MIV/Cell%20towers/th_WhenOspreysAttack.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p47/KE4MIV/Cell%20towers/?action=view&current=WhenOspreysAttack.flv)

[BAD HaBiT]

Thats the only one I had on my Laptop. The longer video may be on my external drive @ home.

[ZooFuzz]

http://www.theclimatescam.com/2008/05/13/in-memoriam-of-mrs-irena-sendler/


http://www.theclimatescam.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/irena-sendler-2.jpg

A great little woman has passed away. A true hero. Irena Sendler, who smuggled about 2,500 Jewish children out of the Warsaw ghetto in World War II, died on Monday in Warsaw. She was 98.
Sendler was a 29-year-old social worker with the city’s welfare department when Germany invaded Poland in September 1939 and all the Jews in Warsaw were forced into a walled-off ghetto. Seeking to save the children, Sendler masterminded risky rescue operations. She and her assistants smuggled out babies and small children in ambulances and trams, sometimes wrapped up as packages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler

Every child saved with my help and the help of all the wonderful secret messengers, who today are no longer living, is the justification of my existence on this earth, and not a title to glory,” Sendler said in 2007 in a letter to the Polish Senate after lawmakers honored her efforts in 2007.

For her efforts, Irena Sendler was nominated to the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007. Her nomination was supported by the International Federation of Social Workers (IFSW), Polish President Lech Kaczynski and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. It might have been the first time a Nobel Prize would be awarded in connection to the Holocaust. However, that didn’t happen.
Instead, the Peace Prize for 2007 went to Al Gore and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (http://nobelpeaceprize.org/eng_lau_list.html#2000).
www.snopes.com/politics/war/sendler.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/sendler.asp)


http://www.irenasendler.org/facts.asp (http://www.irenasendler.org/facts.asp)

http://efrafandays.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/irena-sendler1.jpg


To be able to enter the Ghetto legally, Irena managed to be issued a pass from Warsaws Epidemic Control Department and she visited the Ghetto daily, reestablished contacts and brought food, medicines and clothing. But 5,000 people were dying a month from starvation and disease in the Ghetto, and she decided to help the Jewish children to get out. For Irena Sendler, a young mother herself, persuading parents to part with their children was in itself a horrendous task. Finding families willing to shelter the children, and thereby willing to risk their life if the Nazis ever found out, was also not easy.

Irena Sendler, who wore a star armband as a sign of her solidarity to Jews, began smuggling children out in an ambulance. She recruited at least one person from each of the ten centers of the Social Welfare Department. With their help, she issued hundreds of false documents with forged signatures. Irena Sendler successfully smuggled almost 2,500 Jewish children to safety and gave them temporary new identities.

Some children were taken out in gunnysacks or body bags. Some were buried inside loads of goods. A mechanic took a baby out in his toolbox. Some kids were carried out in potato sacks, others were placed in coffins, some entered a church in the Ghetto which had two entrances. One entrance opened into the Ghetto, the other opened into the Aryan side of Warsaw. They entered the church as Jews and exited as Christians. "`Can you guarantee they will live?'" Irena later recalled the distraught parents asking. But she could only guarantee they would die if they stayed. "In my dreams," she said, "I still hear the cries when they left their parents."

Irena Sendler accomplished her incredible deeds with the active assistance of the church. "I sent most of the children to religious establishments," she recalled. "I knew I could count on the Sisters." Irena also had a remarkable record of cooperation when placing the youngsters: "No one ever refused to take a child from me," she said. The children were given false identities and placed in homes, orphanages and convents. Irena Sendler carefully noted, in coded form, the childrens original names and their new identities. She kept the only record of their true identities in jars buried beneath an apple tree in a neighbor's back yard, across the street from German barracks, hoping she could someday dig up the jars, locate the children and inform them of their past.

In all, the jars contained the names of 2,500 children ...


http://www.auschwitz.dk/irenasendler10075.jpghttp://www.auschwitz.dk/irenasendler10076.jpg
Nazi Genocide (http://www.auschwitz.dk/)


But the Nazis became aware of Irena's activities, and on October 20, 1943 she was arrested, imprisoned and tortured by the Gestapo, who broke her feet and legs. She ended up in the Pawiak Prison, but no one could break her spirit. Though she was the only one who knew the names and addresses of the families sheltering the Jewish children, she withstood the torture, that crippled her for life, refusing to betray either her associates or any of the Jewish children in hiding. Sentenced to death, Irena was saved at the last minute when Zegota members bribed one of the Gestapo agents to halt the execution. She escaped from prison but for the rest of the war she was pursued by the Nazis.


After the war she dug up the jars and used the notes to track down the 2,500 children she placed with adoptive families and to reunite them with relatives scattered across Europe. But most lost their families during the Holocaust in Nazi death camps. The children had known her only by her code name Jolanta. But years later, after she was honored for her wartime work, her picture appeared in a newspaper. "A man, a painter, telephoned me," said Sendler, "`I remember your face,' he said. `It was you who took me out of the ghetto.' I had many calls like that!"


http://www.auschwitz.dk/Sendler.htm (http://www.auschwitz.dk/Sendler.htm)




Be at peace Irena.

[Lakal]

Indeed, Irene Sendler was a remarkable woman. She died in 2008.

She sounds like a good candidate for the Nobel prize but we don't know she received the nomination at all, do we?


Every year, the Norwegian Nobel Committee sends out thousands of letters inviting qualified people to submit their nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize. The names of the nominees and other information about the nominations cannot be revealed until 50 years later.

[Cliff]

Using the resources of the Internet we can make a good guess.



In 2007 considerable publicity[11] (http://www.friendsofsc.com/forums/#cite_note-10) accompanied Sendler's nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize (http://www.friendsofsc.com/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize).[12] (http://www.friendsofsc.com/forums/#cite_note-11) While failed nominations for the award have not been officially announced by the Nobel organization for 50 years, the International Peace Research Institute, Oslo (http://www.friendsofsc.com/wiki/International_Peace_Research_Institute,_Oslo), reported in 2007 that Irena Sendler's nominator had made the nomination public.[13] (http://www.friendsofsc.com/forums/#cite_note-12) Regardless of its legitimacy, talk of the nomination focused a spotlight on Sendler and her wartime achievements. The 2007 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (http://www.friendsofsc.com/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Climate_Change) and former Vice President of the United States (http://www.friendsofsc.com/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States) Al Gore (http://www.friendsofsc.com/wiki/Al_Gore).[14] (http://www.friendsofsc.com/forums/#cite_note-13)

[Lakal]

Using the resources of the Internet we can make a good guess.


Well you see, I used the the Nobel Prize website itself - you know - going to the actual source. It kind of takes the 'guess' factor out of it, don't you think?

http://nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/process.html

[Cliff]

No, not really. That site didn't yield much info.

http://www.prio.no/News/NewsItem/?oid=86226 and other places were a little more informative.



Confirmed Nominations:
[Although nominators are strongly requested not to publish their proposals, the following list of nominees is confirmed only to the extent that the nominators have apparently chosen to publicise their choice anyway]

Irena Sendler, a 96-year old Polish woman who saved more than 2,500 Jewish children from the Warsaw ghetto during the Holocaust. Nomination supported by a petition organised by the Polish Jews Forum, Polish President Lech Kaczynski and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

Sail Training International, UK-based charity that promotes international understanding and friendship through sail training for young people. Nominated by Svein Roald Hansen, member of the Norwegian Parliament for Fredrikstad.

Al Gore, former US vice president and environmentalist, together with Sheila Watt-Cloutier, a Canadian Inuit activist, nominated by Norwegian politicians Heidi Sørensen and Børge Brende.

Sri Chinmoy Kumar Ghose, Indian philosopher and spiritual leader, nominated by Walter Dorn, Associate Professor at the Department of Defence Studies, Royal Military College of Canada.

[BAD HaBiT]

1. In 1939, there were officially nearly 15,700,000 Jews in the world.(
1) After the Second World War, that number had risen to over 18,000,000 Jews.
(2) What this means is that of the 15,700,000 original Jews on the planet, 6,000,000 were allegedly gassed, leaving only some 9,000,000-plus Jews on Earth. However, the world Jewish population somehow rebounded - and doubled - to over 18,000,000 in less than nine years-an astronomical feat.
2. From the beginning, there was always the 'SIX MILLION' of which 4,000,000 were allegedly gassed at Auschwitz. Then, in 1990, it was discovered that only 1.5 million were supposedly gassed at Auschwitz, a difference of 2.5 million less. Yet, the sacred Six Million figure remained untouched and unchallenged, even though no instant replacement for the 2.5 million was ever found.
3. During this time frame, the Director of the Auschwitz State Museum, Dr. Franciszek Piper, announced that the so-called gas chamber there had been fabricated by the Soviets AFTER the war (as a propaganda device to keep the world focused on the evils of Nazi Germany while the Bolshevik communists continued to consume as much of Europe as they could). Dr. Piper's statement is on videotape.
4. But there's more. The International Red Cross, formally and officially reported that less than 300,000 internees of all nationalities in the German camps died of all causes, including old age.
(3) And of these, barely more than half were Jews. Most of these died in several severe typhoid epidemics caused by wartime conditions, which claimed many lives throughout Germany - including those of doctors, nurses and camp administrative personnel.
5. Even these deaths were too much for the German authorities. On December 8, 1942, Heinrich Himmler, chief commandant of all detention facilities, issued an order stating categorically: "The death rate in the camps must be reduced at all costs."
6. In all of German-occupied Europe there were 2.4 million Jews. After the war, 3.8 million Jews claimed "survivor" benefits from the German government.
7. It was a miracle. According to The New York Times of Sunday, January 4, 1987, celebrated survivor Elie Wiesel recalled "the day the Soviets arrived at Auschwitz." However, in a speech to the National Press Club in Washington D.C., reported by the Jewish Telegraph Agency on April 11, 1983, he had a different recollection.
(4) He noted that he was "one of the survivors liberated at Dachau by the U.S. Army" on April 15, 1945-and thus became the only prisoner of war to hold the distinction of being liberated from two different camps in World War II.
8. Not to be outdone by The Wiesel, famous "Nazi-hunter" Simon Wiesenthal died serenely at age 96, knowing that, according to BBC News, he had personally survived no fewer than 12 Nazi "death camps."
9. In 1948, a story appeared about a hapless Jewish girl who was done in by the Nazis. It was written with a ballpoint pen, something that did not appear on the market until after the war. It was called "The Diary of Anne Frank." This document remains highly controversial to this day. 10. So, where did this 'SIX MILLION' figure come from? For that, we must go back to one Ilya Ehrenburg
(5), chief Soviet propagandist during the Second World War who later died in Israel. It was Ehrenberg who first coined the mystic number on Dec. 22, 1944 long before tens of thousands of Jewish internees in German camps, given the choice of staying to be 'liberated" by the Communists or fleeing West with their German captors, did not hesitate to choose the latter option. You are encouraged to do you own research on these and scores of other questions relating to World War 2 and the German concentration labor camps.
Notes 1- The American Jewish Committee cites a figure of 15,688,259.
2- The Jewish-owned New York Times for Feb. 22, 1948, uses a figure of 18,700,000.
3- When the Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the war, asking whether they had witnessed alleged "gassings," the response was universally negative. According to IRC document #9925, June, 1946: "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them."
4- In his book Legend of Our Time, New York, 1982, The Weasel explained: "Things are not that simple, Rebbe. Some events do take place but are not true; others are-although they never occurred."
5-The monstrous lies of this Jewish psychopath succeeded in creating a climate of rabid, anti-German hate which led to the death of millions. Here is a typical example of the genocidal daily fare served up to Soviet troops, taken from an Oct. 1944 leaflet to the Red Army: "Kill! Nothing in Germany is guiltless, neither the living nor the yet unborn. Follow the words of Comrade Stalin and crush the fascist beast in its lair. Break the racial pride of the German woman. Take her as your legitimate booty. Kill, you brave soldiers of the glorious Soviet army!"

[Lakal]

No, not really. That site didn't yield much info.

http://www.prio.no/News/NewsItem/?oid=86226 and other places were a little more informative.

The Nobel prize website gave the fact that nominations that they receive are kept secret for fifty years. Your reference was to a site which states they are guessing and speculating. Speculations and guesses are different to facts - at least that's my two pence worth.

[Lakal]

1. In 1939, there were officially nearly 15,700,000 Jews in the world.(

1) After the Second World War, that number had risen to over 18,000,000 Jews.
(2) What this means is that of the 15,700,000 original Jews on the planet, 6,000,000 were allegedly gassed, leaving only some 9,000,000-plus Jews on Earth. However, the world Jewish population somehow rebounded - and doubled - to over 18,000,000 in less than nine years-an astronomical feat.
2. From the beginning, there was always the 'SIX MILLION' of which 4,000,000 were allegedly gassed at Auschwitz. Then, in 1990, it was discovered that only 1.5 million were supposedly gassed at Auschwitz, a difference of 2.5 million less. Yet, the sacred Six Million figure remained untouched and unchallenged, even though no instant replacement for the 2.5 million was ever found.
3. During this time frame, the Director of the Auschwitz State Museum, Dr. Franciszek Piper, announced that the so-called gas chamber there had been fabricated by the Soviets AFTER the war (as a propaganda device to keep the world focused on the evils of Nazi Germany while the Bolshevik communists continued to consume as much of Europe as they could). Dr. Piper's statement is on videotape.
4. But there's more. The International Red Cross, formally and officially reported that less than 300,000 internees of all nationalities in the German camps died of all causes, including old age.
(3) And of these, barely more than half were Jews. Most of these died in several severe typhoid epidemics caused by wartime conditions, which claimed many lives throughout Germany - including those of doctors, nurses and camp administrative personnel.
5. Even these deaths were too much for the German authorities. On December 8, 1942, Heinrich Himmler, chief commandant of all detention facilities, issued an order stating categorically: "The death rate in the camps must be reduced at all costs."
6. In all of German-occupied Europe there were 2.4 million Jews. After the war, 3.8 million Jews claimed "survivor" benefits from the German government.
7. It was a miracle. According to The New York Times of Sunday, January 4, 1987, celebrated survivor Elie Wiesel recalled "the day the Soviets arrived at Auschwitz." However, in a speech to the National Press Club in Washington D.C., reported by the Jewish Telegraph Agency on April 11, 1983, he had a different recollection.
(4) He noted that he was "one of the survivors liberated at Dachau by the U.S. Army" on April 15, 1945-and thus became the only prisoner of war to hold the distinction of being liberated from two different camps in World War II.
8. Not to be outdone by The Wiesel, famous "Nazi-hunter" Simon Wiesenthal died serenely at age 96, knowing that, according to BBC News, he had personally survived no fewer than 12 Nazi "death camps."
9. In 1948, a story appeared about a hapless Jewish girl who was done in by the Nazis. It was written with a ballpoint pen, something that did not appear on the market until after the war. It was called "The Diary of Anne Frank." This document remains highly controversial to this day. 10. So, where did this 'SIX MILLION' figure come from? For that, we must go back to one Ilya Ehrenburg
(5), chief Soviet propagandist during the Second World War who later died in Israel. It was Ehrenberg who first coined the mystic number on Dec. 22, 1944 long before tens of thousands of Jewish internees in German camps, given the choice of staying to be 'liberated" by the Communists or fleeing West with their German captors, did not hesitate to choose the latter option. You are encouraged to do you own research on these and scores of other questions relating to World War 2 and the German concentration labor camps.
Notes 1- The American Jewish Committee cites a figure of 15,688,259.
2- The Jewish-owned New York Times for Feb. 22, 1948, uses a figure of 18,700,000.
3- When the Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the war, asking whether they had witnessed alleged "gassings," the response was universally negative. According to IRC document #9925, June, 1946: "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them."
4- In his book Legend of Our Time, New York, 1982, The Weasel explained: "Things are not that simple, Rebbe. Some events do take place but are not true; others are-although they never occurred."
5-The monstrous lies of this Jewish psychopath succeeded in creating a climate of rabid, anti-German hate which led to the death of millions. Here is a typical example of the genocidal daily fare served up to Soviet troops, taken from an Oct. 1944 leaflet to the Red Army: "Kill! Nothing in Germany is guiltless, neither the living nor the yet unborn. Follow the words of Comrade Stalin and crush the fascist beast in its lair. Break the racial pride of the German woman. Take her as your legitimate booty. Kill, you brave soldiers of the glorious Soviet army!"


Bad Habit - where did you get this material?
Are you a holocaust denier?
If you want to delve into this and seek another point of view I would suggest you pop in here : http://www.holocaust-trc.org/deny_history.htm

[Cliff]

First line.


[Although nominators are strongly requested not to publish their proposals, the following list of nominees is confirmed only to the extent that the nominators have apparently chosen to publicise their choice anyway]


Same info on other sites like those of news papers.

[BAD HaBiT]

Bad Habit - where did you get this material?
Are you a holocaust denier?
If you want to delve into this and seek another point of view I would suggest you pop in here : http://www.holocaust-trc.org/deny_history.htm

Are you serious?

How can I have a open mind when the material being presented to me is Published by Jews?

Im not so quick to swallow propaganda in light of the leaps and bounds Jews have gone to harm those who don't believe in attempt to keep the truth from being told. And the Holocaust is far from the truth.

Now there were people who died , no doubt. But it was not from Gas chambers.

http://www.honestmediatoday.com/the_persecution_of_revisionists.wmv

[ZooFuzz]

Indeed, Irene Sendler was a remarkable woman. She died in 2008.

She sounds like a good candidate for the Nobel prize but we don't know she received the nomination at all, do we?

.

She did not, it went to Al Gore on Global Warming.

[Lakal]

She did not, it went to Al Gore on Global Warming.

The fact she did not win it does not mean she was not nominated. We won't know that for sure until after 50 years. I won't be around to find out.

[Cliff]

Irena Sendler, a 96-year old Polish woman who saved more than 2,500 Jewish children from the Warsaw ghetto during the Holocaust. Nomination supported by a petition organised by the Polish Jews Forum, Polish President Lech Kaczynski and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.


What am I missing here ?

[swampfox]

RE: gas chambers. There is all the evidence anybody would need. Nobody knew about the gas chambers until the Allied troops found them, along with the ovens, as they moved into Poland and Germany at the end of the war. The chambers were still there, along with the chemicals, along with many eyewitnesses. The BS above is just another tactic trying to show that Hitler was not so bad. A racist tirade if there ever was one. Plus they are willing to call a great many American soldiers liars.

"Patriots" is about the last thing you could say to describe the far right crowd.

[BAD HaBiT]

RE: gas chambers. There is all the evidence anybody would need. Nobody knew about the gas chambers until the Allied troops found them, along with the ovens, as they moved into Poland and Germany at the end of the war. The chambers were still there, along with the chemicals, along with many eyewitnesses. The BS above is just another tactic trying to show that Hitler was not so bad. A racist tirade if there ever was one. Plus they are willing to call a great many American soldiers liars.

"Patriots" is about the last thing you could say to describe the far right crowd.

You can't help being taught the absolute crap you and every other American (Myself included) has been forced to believe.

You tell me why people have been put in prison ( http://www.historiansbehindbars.com/acampaign.html ), beaten half to death and in some cases Murdered over bringing to the public proof the crap was false.
These so called gas chambers were staged. And yes our people were involved. This was all a part of many war crimes that were covered up with this BS Jewish Propaganda.

When I started reading about these so called "death camps" and reading about the things that propaganda would like to have you believe that are physically imposible, I started to see it for what it was. Absolute and total BS.

Im not forcing you or anyone else to believe anything, the truth and facts are out there.
Its quite funny though, that the Jews go out of their way to Force silence on anyone who steps up to contradict the lies.
Do some research.
And heres a hint. If the source is Jewish It's most likely going to be Bias.
With that said , who Owns all the news networks? Thats right! Jews!
Who controls all the banks.......Damn again Jews!
Open your eyes and break free from the garbage you have been fed.


As always you have to take a jab at the Right.
It's become so Predictable of you.

[BAD HaBiT]

The difficulty in proving the existence of the evil empire justifies new methods of inquiry and innovative logic, unrestrained by reasonable doubt and scientific methodology. Using this logic, lack of proof is proof since the inability to prove the existence of an evil empire of secret conspirators proves how adept they are at creating "paralyzing, calculated confusion and mind control." Skeptics who challenge the religiously held dogma with demands for proof are, at best, described as in a state of denial; at worst, they are loathed as possible co-conspirators wearing a web of evil.

In short, it will be possible to see that the generation of a delusion of mass gas extermination did not require a conspiracy, or a hoax, nor much conscious effort at all, but only a social and cultural climate that would facilitate the generation of such claims, at a time of war, hatred, and social anomie. We will see that such claims, facilitated here and there by a little helpful fraud, but above all by a simple willingness to believe the worst about one's enemies, would allow these rumors to be stated as fact and become themselves part of that social and cultural landscape of which we are only half-consciously aware

[BAD HaBiT]

Bad Habit - where did you get this material?
Are you a holocaust denier?
If you want to delve into this and seek another point of view I would suggest you pop in here : http://www.holocaust-trc.org/deny_history.htm

The guy that wrote this book is a Liar and has admitted to it in an interveiw.


In July 1994, Cole was interviewed by Dr. Michael Shermer, a leading critic of Holocaust revisionism. Shermer has penned several books attacking revisionists, including Denying History and Why People Believe Weird Things. Shermer’s interview with Cole was part of an article about revisionism that appeared in Shermer’s magazine Skeptic,73 and later, in expanded form, in Why People Believe Weird Things. In the article, Shermer included Cole’s name in a list of revisionist “racists,” right alongside the names of neo Nazis and skinheads. Shermer provided no evidence to back up this very serious charge, and when Cole, who strenuously denied that he was in any way racist, asked Shermer to issue a retraction, Shermer flat out refused.
However, in February 1995, Shermer was interviewed by Daniel Berman, a graduate student researching Holocaust revisionism. The interview was not intended for public distribution, but Shermer allowed it to be recorded. The following has been transcribed directly from the tape of the interview:74
BERMAN: “Well, David Cole is not racist, is he?”
SHERMER: “No. And I didn’t say that about David. He’s not the least bit racist….”
BERMAN: “But in your article you listed a bunch of….”
SHERMER: “Yeah, I’d already listed a bunch of racists, a bunch of them together, and I threw Cole into that bunch because I was listing everybody I had interviewed, and that was probably the biggest, uh, misleading, the most misleading thing I said in my article. I should have left Cole out of that.”
Dr. Shermer admitted that he “misled” his readers regarding Cole being a racist. Nevertheless, to this day, he refuses to print a retraction in his magazine.
Shermer also made a few candid admissions about Cole’s work:
SHERMER: “Maybe Cole’s right. I think the whole gas chamber story is probably, in terms of physical evidence, the weakest link in the whole story. To me, it doesn’t matter whether the gas chamber story is completely true or not. Maybe it could be modified, for all I know.”




73 Dr. Michael Shermer, “Who Says the Holocaust Never Happened?,” Skeptic, vol. 2, no. 4 (1994).


74 Transcribed directly from audiotape of interview with Dr. Michael Shermer, conducted by graduate student Daniel Berman on February 23, 1995.



And Thank You Lakal for the Negative rep on my first comment. I hope it made you feel better.
Im not a antisemite, Im just tired of being fed lies. And its been going on since I was born.
Why is it that because I have a different point of veiw about the so called holocaust , Im labeled?
Its exactly what has happened to many. Some killed because they questioned. Why is it worth being killed over. Who cares if someone doesnt believe...Obviously they do because its very damaging if the truth is revealed.


Lets talk about it.. Share notes. Ive given you some material. Follow the link. http://www.historiansbehindbars.com/
Inform yourself. Dont just take someone elses word for it. Which is what the vast majority has done. Myself included. Until of course things didnt start to add up.

[swampfox]

What do you get out of this, BH? This is nothing more than filthy racist propaganda of the worst kind, and you choose it for yourself.

Please renounce your American citizenship. There are countries that would love to have you.

[Cliff]

Why is it that because I have a different point of view about the so called holocaust , I'm labeled?
Because it's not politically correct.

[BAD HaBiT]

What do you get out of this, BH? This is nothing more than filthy racist propaganda of the worst kind, and you choose it for yourself.

Please renounce your American citizenship. There are countries that would love to have you.

Its about the truth nothing more.

How is that racist? Its the truth!
They are all owned by jews. Im stating fact.

Whats racist about saying there were no gas chambers?
Well let me re-phrase that, there were but they were mock (staged).



How about answer me the question I asked ?>

You tell me why people have been put in prison ( http://www.historiansbehindbars.com/acampaign.html ), beaten half to death and in some cases Murdered over bringing to the public proof the crap was false.

Lets start there.
I'm open minded.

By the way Im American , and just because I want to know the truth makes me no less of an American.
If you think Im wrong in what I believe to be the truth, then show me where its not true.
I'll be Glad to debate over it, as long as you look into the things I tell you and dont immediatley disregard it as "BS" like you always do.

[BAD HaBiT]

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and NBC. With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no longer independent entities. While they were independent, however, each was controlled by a Jew since its inception: ABC by Leonard Goldenson, CBS first by William Paley and then by Laurence Tisch, and NBC first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert. Over periods of several decades these networks were staffed from top to bottom with Jews, and the essential Jewishness of network television did not change when the networks were absorbed by other corporations. The Jewish presence in television news remains particularly strong.
As noted, ABC is part of Eisner’s Disney Company, and the executive producers of ABC’s news programs are all Jews: Victor S. Neufeld (20-20), Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America), and Rick Kaplan (World News Tonight).
CBS was recently purchased by Westinghouse Electric Corporation. Nevertheless, the man appointed by Laurence Tisch, Eric Ober, remains president of CBS News, and Ober is a Jew.
At NBC, now owned by General Electric, NBC News president Andrew Lack is a Jew, as are executive producers Jeff Zucker (Today), Jeff Gralnick (NBC Nightly News), and Neal Shapiro (Dateline).
Most of the television and movie production companies that are not owned by the largest corporations are also controlled by Jews. For example, New World Entertainment, proclaimed by one media analyst as "the premiere independent TV program producer in the United States," is owned by Ronald Perelman, a Jew who also owns Revlon cosmetics. The chairman at New World, Brandon Tartikoff (formerly head of entertainment programming at NBC), is also a Jew.
The best known of the smaller media companies, DreamWorks SKG, is a strictly kosher affair. DreamWorks was formed in 1994 amid great media hype by recording industry mogul David Geffen, former Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg, and film direction Steven Spielberg, all three of whom are Jews. The company produces movies, animated films, television programs, and recorded music. Considering the cash and connections that Geffen, Katzenberg, and Spielberg have, DreamWorks may soon be in the same league as the big three.
Two other large production companies, MCA and Universal Pictures, are both owned by Seagram Company, Ltd. The president and CEO of Seagram, the liquor giant, is Edgar Bronfman, Jr., who is also president of the World Jewish Congress.
It is well known that Jews have controlled the production and distribution of films since the inception of the movie industry in the early decades of this century. This is still the case today.



"Today, seven Jewish Americans run the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals:
1. Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner
2. Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company
3. Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd
4. Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of
Universal Studios
5. Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc
6. Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric
7. Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records

[swampfox]

You're saying that thousands of American soldiers, death-camp survivors, and some Germans conspired to say that this most horrible of crimes did not happen. And you couple that with a list of Jewish CEOs currently in this country. You seek to prove a negative, which is impossible, when there is plenty of evidence good enough for American courts to counter your ridiculous statements.

At some point you were taught to hate, and your words show that you embrace hate whole-heartedly. This has nothing to do with seeking the truth. You merely look for justification for your hatred. I've seen this many times.

You are like Maurice Bessinger when he says that slavery was a good thing for the slaves, and justified by the Christian Bible. Disgusting all the way around.

We are not proud to have you as an American. You would perhaps do well in Serbia, or North Korea, or one of the Islamic dictatorships. Please remove yourself to one of them.

[BAD HaBiT]

You're saying that thousands of American soldiers, death-camp survivors, and some Germans conspired to say that this most horrible of crimes did not happen. And you couple that with a list of Jewish CEOs currently in this country. You seek to prove a negative, which is impossible, when there is plenty of evidence good enough for American courts to counter your ridiculous statements.

At some point you were taught to hate, and your words show that you embrace hate whole-heartedly. This has nothing to do with seeking the truth. You merely look for justification for your hatred. I've seen this many times.

You are like Maurice Bessinger when he says that slavery was a good thing for the slaves, and justified by the Christian Bible. Disgusting all the way around.

We are not proud to have you as an American. You would perhaps do well in Serbia, or North Korea, or one of the Islamic dictatorships. Please remove yourself to one of them.

Again you never answered the question!

You are the one filled with hate. Telling me American isnt proud of me.
Comparing me to Maurice B. Its nothing of the like.

I'm not filled with hate at all. I've asked you to show me , as I am open minded.
I asked 1 question to start it off.
But you would rather insult me. Thats just your style.
In the time I have been apart of this board, you have consistanly been a person who belittles someone if they dont have the same views as you.
You use your " FORMER" Teacher status as your god giving gift to Know-it allness. Most of all if you take everything you claim to have done and divide it by three, I think you would still be 104 years old.
Point is your comments are merely an "Opinion" Just like everyone elses.

I don't care what you think of me Swamp.
You dont know me, and Im certainly ok with that.

Now if you would like to constructively compare notes and change the way I veiw this , I encourage you to.

Ohh and there is plenty of evidence to refute the status quo.
Thats why it is a crime in other countries , and those with the proof, or that have exposed the truth are sitting in Jail.
Thats why so many people have been murdered to silence them from spreading the truth.

Believe me it isnt just about the Holocaust. Its about the Lies that have been told to manipulate a society. A close runner up would be Religion.
Believe it or not they are tied together.

[Captain Worley]

BH, I read your comments over the weekend. I’ll say this about the subject, and then I’ll try and say no more.

The Holocaust happened. No ifs ands and buts. Plenty of American servicemen liberated prison camps. They saw the bodies, they saw the crematoriums, they saw the starved people. It was not a ploy by the Soviets. The Americans arrived at some camps first.

Eisenhower had servicemen and the local population ‘tour’ these camps, so they could see the atrocities with their own eyes, and not forget it. He was afraid there would be deniers if he didn’t. He was also afraid that generations later, a new group of deniers would arise.

There are plenty of books and documentaries on the subject, but you seem to dismiss them as lies by the Jews. Can’t you see how this itself is a tad racist? Many were written produced by non-Jews, but I am supposing the ‘industry’ is controlled by Jews, so they are all lies, too.

There is no use debating the matter with you. You seem to have accepted that it is a lie and nothing I can say will convince you. It will get down (eventually) to ‘did you see the camps in action yourself?” to which I’ll say, “No.” and you’ll say, “AHA!”

When I was in school in the 70s, there were vets who could have told you THEY’D seen it in person, but those folks are few and far between these days. But if you seek them out, maybe you’ll find one.

In the end, it is good to question history, but when you open your mind, be careful what you open it up to.

Please be careful, BH.

[BAD HaBiT]

BH, I read your comments over the weekend. I’ll say this about the subject, and then I’ll try and say no more.

The Holocaust happened. No ifs ands and buts. Plenty of American servicemen liberated prison camps. They saw the bodies, they saw the crematoriums, they saw the starved people. It was not a ploy by the Soviets. The Americans arrived at some camps first.

Eisenhower had servicemen and the local population ‘tour’ these camps, so they could see the atrocities with their own eyes, and not forget it. He was afraid there would be deniers if he didn’t. He was also afraid that generations later, a new group of deniers would arise.

There are plenty of books and documentaries on the subject, but you seem to dismiss them as lies by the Jews. Can’t you see how this itself is a tad racist? Many were written produced by non-Jews, but I am supposing the ‘industry’ is controlled by Jews, so they are all lies, too.

There is no use debating the matter with you. You seem to have accepted that it is a lie and nothing I can say will convince you. It will get down (eventually) to ‘did you see the camps in action yourself?” to which I’ll say, “No.” and you’ll say, “AHA!”

When I was in school in the 70s, there were vets who could have told you THEY’D seen it in person, but those folks are few and far between these days. But if you seek them out, maybe you’ll find one.

In the end, it is good to question history, but when you open your mind, be careful what you open it up to.

Please be careful, BH.

I'll say this and let it go.

History has proven over and over again that deception is widely used in order to gain control. It happens on so many scales. My conversation wasn't saying that nothing happened , only that the means and totals to the event are not accurate.
I just want to know why. Even with debate, no one will.
I was always taught if there were things that didn't make sense, take another look.
I've tried to remain open to it but I keep finding more interesting anomiles with the Common way the Holocaust is taught.

I've seen the bodies on documentries , but who's to say them bodies werent the result of a contagious disease , which spread like wildfire in the concentration camps.
Or bodies killed by Allied forces in the war. Do you think that if that were the case the Allies would stand up and say "Hey , Our bad. We didnt know this was a concentration camp before we bombed the Hell out of it." Heck no they wouldn't.

And have you seen some of the Concentration camps?
Hardly camps at all, rather a huge building complex. Even with swimming pools!!!!

Then there comes the figure. How many was it? Why the huge discreapancies?
The time it would take to dispose of the shear number of bodies is absolutley impossible in the amount of time these facilities were said to be in operation.
Its like putting a sqaure into a circle hole.
I'm sorry but it intrigues my mind to want to know more.

It saddens me to know I have brought 2 children into this world knowing now what I know. As a Society we are manipulated and molded into what our Government and World Powers want us to be and think in order to complete their agenda's.
Control is it, by whatever means necessary.

[BAD HaBiT]

I would also like to point out, Nowhere in any of my posts did I say it didnt happen.
I even said some people did die but didnt agree to the mean in which they died.
Scroll back and read everyone of my posts.

It was others who stuck me with that in their own comments.

[JDidGirl]

BH, I disagree with your views and opinions on this subject, but I am curious as to what you do believe or support. Do you believe that the camps were real and very, very hard, but that there weren't any gas chambers used or do you believe that it all has all been staged? Do you support Hitler and his beliefs? Do you just disagree with the way history has been relayed to you over the years? Also, you mention seeing the large amount of the bodies that were just stacked one on top of the other, but you wonder if those deaths weren't from something like plagues or diseases... do you not wonder why they were so frail and thin... they were obviously starved. I guess I'm just trying to figure out the full extent of your opinion on this matter. I'm not arguing your opinion... I feel completely differently than you... I guess I'm just trying to see what causes you to believe the way you do. What do you support?

[BAD HaBiT]

BH, I disagree with your views and opinions on this subject, but I am curious as to what you do believe or support. Do you believe that the camps were real and very, very hard, but that there weren't any gas chambers used or do you believe that it all has all been staged? Do you support Hitler and his beliefs? Do you just disagree with the way history has been relayed to you over the years? Also, you mention seeing the large amount of the bodies that were just stacked one on top of the other, but you wonder if those deaths weren't from something like plagues or diseases... do you not wonder why they were so frail and thin... they were obviously starved. I guess I'm just trying to figure out the full extent of your opinion on this matter. I'm not arguing your opinion... I feel completely differently than you... I guess I'm just trying to see what causes you to believe the way you do. What do you support?
JdidGirl ,
I appreciate your approach but feel that no matter what I say I will be frowned upon by the status quo. And its ok that we think differently , there is absolutley nothing wrong with that. Having a freedom of free thought is a wonderful thing.

Im not a Hitler Supporter. I dont agree with Genocide. And I know there were deaths. But I feel that the details of these deaths have been largely falsified. From the Facilities to the amount claimed to have been killed.

What causes me to feel this way is several things.
First why are people right this minute right now sitting in Prison for nothing more than questioning the Holocaust, Some have been murdered, beat almost to death , and threatened with losing their Lives for only questioning the Holocaust. Its my understanding that alot of these people have exposed or were about to expose damaging evidence that would hurt the Holocaust story.
I'll take one for instance, Where a visit to a so-called gassing facility was found to have been set up. The stud wall marks still on the floor where walls were removed in order to stage this false Gas chamber. Also testing was done and no trace amounts of the chemicals claimed to have been used could be found from the interior to the exterior of the walls.

And for showing that Jewish individuals own 97% of all media I'm labeled racist. The only reason I showed that is its hard to find anything that questions the Holocaust. Its like the forbidden fruit. And anyone who questions it be damned!! Have you ever noticed that? To me it only makes me want to know why.

Lakal said I needed to endulge in http://www.holocaust-trc.org/deny_history.htm .

Where as I provided where this author was quoted as stating he mislead his readers to believe a revisionist was racist. A flat lie to say the least. And he refused to retract it from his magazine.
I find it hard to listen to anything an admitted liar says.

About the bodies being frail from starvation, I could agree with that. And it makes alot of sense. I do believe that was one of the main tactics of the Allies in the war, was to disrupt supplies. Im sure the POW's would have been the last to recieve supplies. But I also know that when anything dies it withers. Notr to say that is what we saw, but it makes sense.

I've had a very long day and am going to end it here for now. Need to get some rest.

[BAD Mojo]

Greetings FoSC members,

I am an old friend of BAD HaBiT. He mentioned this thread to me knowing I have been researching the Jewish holocaust for several years. Based on some of the replies I've seen in this thread, I'm interested in discussing the subject with you.

I know this subject takes many people way out of their comfort zone but, a discussion cannot be successful using Ad hominem attacks. I'm not here to force my opinions on anyone, and only hope someone can answer at least one of the many questions I have about the Jewish holocaust. Please do not label me, and I will not label you.

I'll start with three questions that I thought were easy to prove, until I really started looking.

1. Can anyone provide the name of a document that clearly outlines a German plan for mass killings of Jews? The Wannsee Protocols are often represented as proof of this but, after reading the translated version it seems to support the theory of a transit system to me.

2. Can anyone provide with proof, the name of a single Jew that died in a gas chamber at Auschwitz? Raul Hilberg, author of the 3 volume, "Destruction of The European Jew" could not while on the witness stand during the Zundel Canadian trial of '85. http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p417_Faurisson.html

3. Can anyone provide scientific evidence of a single mass grave with human cremains at any Polish camp other than eyewitness testimony? I'd settle for 1/10th of 1%. The survivors claim to know precisely where the mass graves are and roughly how many souls are located in each location. Sophisticated ground penetrating radar explorations have all been inconclusive, and no ashes/bones/teeth have ever been discovered. It's been accepted on both sides for years that no gassings occurred at camps located in Germany proper, leaving only the Polish AR Camps in question as the death camps, ie. Auschwitz, Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec, Chelmo, etc. These camps were liberated by the Soviets, not the Allies. The Allies were not permitted access to these camps or records for years after the end of the war. Holocaust survivors that got stuck behind the iron curtian after the war weren't even permitted to apply for reparations until 1979.

I digress, I really thought these were simple questions to answer until I tried to find proof. I've spent literally 1,000's of hours looking. I know there's more information out there than one person could possibly hope to learn in a lifetime, so I hope maybe one of you have seen something I haven't.

Respectfully,

[BAD HaBiT]

*Jeapordy Theme*

[swampfox]

All BS.

[BAD HaBiT]

All BS.


Do tell.

Help me understand why you claim it to be BS.

[swampfox]

So Gen. Eisenhower and thousands of American troops were liars? There are still some eyewitnesses alive. Would you like to present your case to them?

[BAD HaBiT]

I don't believe that I called you a racist, BH. But with the Holocaust denial thing you are certain supporting racists.

You are a fortunate man to be so easily amused.
**Taken from another thread that wasnt about this conversation.**

And why do you think I am supporting racists?

[BAD Mojo]

So Gen. Eisenhower and thousands of American troops were liars? There are still some eyewitnesses alive. Would you like to present your case to them?

I would LOVE to present my case to them!!!

Why is it that Eisenhower failed to mention gas chambers in his "Crusade in Europe" memoir? Ironically, Churchill didn't mention a single word about gas chambers during WW2 in his memoir either. Neither did DeGaulle.

Three men that had a pivotal role in dismantling the worst and largest mass murder machine in modern times, and yet not one of them said a word about it in their volumes of memoirs regarding WW2? :confused: See, there's another one of those many questions I have.



All BS.

Is it safe to say that you plan to dodge the questions I ask Swampfox? I trust you won't start engaging in the Ad Hom stuff that BH just pointed out from another thread. If you can't answer the questions I ask, just say so, there's no crime in that. I wouldn't think of you as racist just because you can't find the answers either.

[swampfox]

Because they are the ones who started, and keep restarting, denying a historical event for which there are still live participants and all of the physical evidence that any court in the world would need. (Not that it's evidence in itself, but check out the film "Judgment at Nuremberg" sometime.) A bunch of sick [deleted]ers.

Ask yourself the same questions about the Civil War. Maybe it never happened either. The Texas school board is currently rewriting history. Check out some of their stuff. They're misquoting the writings of the founders all over the place.

[swampfox]

Mojo, you seem to have come here for one purpose. Is that right? I take it that this issue means a lot to you.

One reason my responses will not satisfy you is that I'm not going to wade through the piles of revisionist manure that you seem to hold so dear, whereas you can look up mine from any reputable source.

You can find somebody to say whatever you want.

[BAD Mojo]

Mojo, you seem to have come here for one purpose. Is that right? I take it that this issue means a lot to you.

One reason my responses will not satisfy you is that I'm not going to wade through the piles of revisionist manure that you seem to hold so dear, whereas you can look up mine from any reputable source.

You can find somebody to say whatever you want.

Yes, I came here for one purpose. I hoped I was clear about that in my original post.

Wade through piles of revisionist manure? There you go again with the Ad Hom tactic I hoped could be avoided. Already trying to build a strawman too I see. That's a typical response from some people that can't really find the answers either. They are content in just "assuming" the anwers are there, I was for 40 years.

What reputable source uses "All BS" to answer a simple question?

[swampfox]

What reputable source uses "All BS" to answer a simple question?

The ones who have answered the same ridiculous questions so many times that they're tired of it.

Mojo, you know how when you're really good at something (I hope we're all good at something), or you know a lot about something (let's say football for an example) and you get into a conversation with somebody who has never seen a game but nevertheless is intent on having authoritative input in every conversation about it, including the one that you wish you could have avoided? You can tell right away that they don't know much, or that somebody told them a bunch of BS and they believed it, and still will, regardless of what you say. It's widespread, and it's not a rich or poor thing, nor ethnic, nor age- nor education nor gender-affected. One thing I know a lot about is guitars and mandolins. I say that because somehow it stuck in my mind, one time I had a friend with me at a music festival who was like the above, and I would be talking about old instruments with somebody and she would chime in with something she thought she knew and it was kind of awkward.

History is the same way.

[BAD Mojo]

The ones who have answered the same ridiculous questions so many times that they're tired of it.

Mojo, you know how when you're really good at something (I hope we're all good at something), or you know a lot about something (let's say football for an example) and you get into a conversation with somebody who has never seen a game but nevertheless is intent on having authoritative input in every conversation about it, including the one that you wish you could have avoided? You can tell right away that they don't know much, or that somebody told them a bunch of BS and they believed it, and still will, regardless of what you say. It's widespread, and it's not a rich or poor thing, nor ethnic, nor age- nor education nor gender-affected. One thing I know a lot about is guitars and mandolins. I say that because somehow it stuck in my mind, one time I had a friend with me at a music festival who was like the above, and I would be talking about old instruments with somebody and she would chime in with something she thought she knew and it was kind of awkward.

History is the same way.

There's the Strawman I said you started building in my last reply.

How does your knowing something about guitars, football, etc. have anything to do with the questions I asked that you can't answer? I've been playing guitar for over 30 years and don't profess to know everything about it. Just like the holocaust, I don't pretend to know everything about it either, thus the questions.

Let's play with your strawman for a minute. Can you, off the top of your head tell me what serial number series were used on 62' Fender Stratocasters? I highly doubt it, and if we were face to face I'm sure I could ask dozens of guitar and music related questions you wouldn't know the answer to. Doesn't mean you can't find them though. Generally the 62' strats are going to have a serial number from 80000's-90000's. This is readily available information from Fender. http://www.fender.com/support/usa_instruments.php

You have yet to provide a reputable source for anything I've asked. Just Ad Hom's and now strawmen.

[swampfox]

I don't have an idea what you're talking about. What is the strawman? I assume it's a metaphor, and not a real strawman.

[swampfox]

By the way, I'm mostly interested in acoustic instruments, but I could give you a rough date on your strat and then I'd take the number and look it up. Who in heck remembers serial numbers?

[BAD Mojo]

I don't have an idea what you're talking about. What is the strawman? I assume it's a metaphor, and not a real strawman.

Let me google that for you.

www.lmgtfy.com/?q=strawman (http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=strawman)

[swampfox]

I suggest reading before you write. That's not even remotely descriptive of the first post on this thread.

You do not discuss in good faith. I have no interest in it anymore.

[Cliff]

This thread is a long way from the funny I posted.
http://www.friendsofsc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=122360&postcount=1

[swampfox]

I suggest reading before you write. That's not even remotely descriptive of the first post on this thread.

My mistake. I temporarily thought I was on the thread that I started.

[BAD HaBiT]

This thread is a long way from the funny I posted.
http://www.friendsofsc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=122360&postcount=1

You and I both know that it happens alot.

I steered it in the direction it is now when I saw the article of the Woman who saved a bunch of jewish kids during WWII Or so are the claims. Just as is with most of it , its dependent on eyewitness testimony.

Sorry to have spoiled your funny thread.

[Captain Worley]

Yeah, topic drift is pretty heavy here.

[JDidGirl]

Personally, I wish this topic would drift completely away. I feel it is insulting to the men, women & children that lost their lives in these camps. Makes me feel a little dirty to even read some of these arguments claiming the gas chambers didn't exist. I have friends who had family members that spent time in these camps... some lost their lives. I try to respect everyone's opinions, but this is just one topic that needs to be respected a lot more. It's also one... as Swampy mentioned... where people have their minds made up and aren't going to sway their opinions no matter what anyone says. Threads are shut down on this board all of the time. I wish this was one of those times.