Code Pink Idiots!

[bigfish]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmdrkmtkCw4

I support our troops! I respect our troops! I appreciate the fact that our soldiers are risking their lives every minute of every day to protect us!
I believe we need to deport the Code Pink terrorist-supporters to the Middle East! Click on the link above and watch the video. You will be disgusted as I am with these yahoos!

[Nobama]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

[bigfish]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8


You have to admire that soldier for making the video! Our troops have been getting a bad rap by the "peace-loving" terrorist supporters!

Hey, Code Pink! :finga:

[swampfox]

When Napoleon tried to take Moscow, was it his soldiers' fault that many of them froze or otherwise lost their butts and only a small fraction made it home?

I'll answer that. No! Sometimes it takes a big group of people to really screw up. Sometimes it's just idiotic leadership. But then what's the soldier supposed to do? Resign? And get shot in the back by his comrades? (or these days, sent to prison?)

It is just wrong in so many ways for people to say that just because others think the war is a bad idea that they also wish harm upon our soldiers. Nothing could be further from the truth, and everybody knows it. It's just another cheap way to make people with opinions other than one's own not just into enemies but also into monsters in the minds of people that can be influenced by such crap. Great shame should be the result.

But I know it's not.

[codestink]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SPCQWpNnI0

[E. Lindeman]

I haven't checked out the videos y'all are talking about because by the sounds of what everyone is saying about them I know they will peeve me off to no end. I will, however, say this on the record about the subject of the conversation...anyone wishing harm on an American serviceperson should have two options made available to them, in my ever so humble opinion. Option one; loss of U.S. citizenship and deportation to the rat-hole country of their choice. Option two, and my personal favorite; an appointment in front of a firing squad comprised of those same soldiers they are wishing harm upon. What most people here in our great country fail to realize is that every night we go to bed safe and sleep to wake another morning, every opinion like this disgusting one we utter...all of it is paid for and guaranteed by the blood and lives of American Soldiers...those past, present, and future. This isn't their war, they were ordered to go and they went...that's what soldiers do. It's the politicians war...be mad at them, blame them....love and respect the soldiers, pray for their safe return....or leave our country!!!!
I'll gladly take issue, discuss, and go to what ever other lengths needed in defense of the U.S. servicepersnnel with anyone not in agreement or offended by my views on this subject. You all know where I work and most of you know one way or another of contacting me.
To our soldiers I say this...Thank you, I love you, come home safe, and lastly "HOOAH!!!!"

[protector]

Lindeman,

Stay your course and do not watch the videos as it will ruin your day. My blood pressure sky-rocketed.....Semper Fi

[swampfox]

I think we all want the soldiers home safe and healthy.

[codestink]

I think we all want the soldiers home safe and healthy.

well, code pink would prefer them to be jailed......or worse! To hell with code pink and all pinkos like them!

[bigfish]

Hey, Code Pink! Don't mess with Cuban Exiles in Miami! LOL!
If you know a little bit about history then you can really appreciate the humor of it all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRCjTu-E0k0

[swampfox]

I'm asking. I spent some time looking at their website and I don't see anything about wishing harm on our soldiers. There is a lot against the war, but I just don't see what I'm being told to see. Would somebody point that out to me? And if that is what they're saying, they'll jump to the top of my own list of the condemned!

[Govman]

I'm asking. I spent some time looking at their website and I don't see anything about wishing harm on our soldiers. There is a lot against the war, but I just don't see what I'm being told to see. Would somebody point that out to me? And if that is what they're saying, they'll jump to the top of my own list of the condemned!

Tell us what you did see

[swampfox]

Well, they're against the war. They demonstrate often and publicly in favor of peace. They are aggressive about it. They disrupt speeches and rallies.

And they have the moral high ground (for real) and the whole history of diplomatic problem-solving on their side.

If somebody is saying that just being against the war somehow directly harms our soldiers that is just absurd. There was a time, many many centuries ago, when war was just about the only way in which nations would communicate with each other, either with actual fighting or by showing their readiness and ability to fight.

And sometimes there is no choice. Fighting Hitler was not a choice. We had to do it.

But invading a country that had not attacked us, about which we had faulty intelligence at best, and then declining to leave after accomplishing our stated objective was just wrong. To continue to pour lives and huge money into it is insane.

So I don't know if I'd demonstrate the way the Code Pink organization does, but they are well within their rights and within the best traditions of American participation in politics to be doing what they're doing.

If anybody is wondering about the word "pink" it's because most of the members are women and that's how they wanted to call themselves.

What did you all see?

[Proud American]

Well, they're against the war. They demonstrate often and publicly in favor of peace. They are aggressive about it. They disrupt speeches and rallies.

And they have the moral high ground (for real) and the whole history of diplomatic problem-solving on their side.

If somebody is saying that just being against the war somehow directly harms our soldiers that is just absurd. There was a time, many many centuries ago, when war was just about the only way in which nations would communicate with each other, either with actual fighting or by showing their readiness and ability to fight.

And sometimes there is no choice. Fighting Hitler was not a choice. We had to do it.

But invading a country that had not attacked us, about which we had faulty intelligence at best, and then declining to leave after accomplishing our stated objective was just wrong. To continue to pour lives and huge money into it is insane.

So I don't know if I'd demonstrate the way the Code Pink organization does, but they are well within their rights and within the best traditions of American participation in politics to be doing what they're doing.

If anybody is wondering about the word "pink" it's because most of the members are women and that's how they wanted to call themselves.

What did you all see?

Great thoughful post, Swamp Fox. Some people try to condemn anyone who is opposed to the war as "Un-American" and not supportive of our troops, which is not true 99.9% of the time. This is the approach of the Republican Party in general, to run a political campaign perpetuating fear rather than to debate important issues and to label anyone opposed to the war as being some kind of American traitor not supportive of our troops. I disagree with the tactics of most extremist groups like Code Pink, but most intelligent people who understand and support our Constitution also understand and support the rights of Code Pink and all other individuals or groups to openly express themselves within the confounds of the law, however they may choose. Those who condemn their right to protest are more "Un-American" than those they condemn.

[Govman]

Great thoughful post, Swamp Fox. Some people try to condemn anyone who is opposed to the war as "Un-American" and not supportive of our troops, which is not true 99.9% of the time. This is the approach of the Republican Party in general, to run a political campaign perpetuating fear rather than to debate important issues and to label anyone opposed to the war as being some kind of American traitor not supportive of our troops. I disagree with the tactics of most extremist groups like Code Pink, but most intelligent people who understand and support our Constitution also understand and support the rights of Code Pink and all other individuals or groups to openly express themselves within the confounds of the law, however they may choose. Those who condemn their right to protest are more "Un-American" than those they condemn.

Hog Wash... I comdemn this group and anyone like-minded......once a Marine ...always a Marine!!! Hog Wash

[bigfish]

Code Pink has their right to protest against our troops and the war.
Other Americans, like myself, have the right to protest against Code Pink.
Remember, in that video Code Pink called our troops "war criminals."
Sorry, but I do not take kindly to that!

[swampfox]

Do you condemn them in your own mind, or would you actually act against them in bad faith (untruthfully or physically) or would you support anybody who did?

Not accusing. I know a lot of people would do these things and I think the question should be out in the open.

[swampfox]

In what video did they call our troops war criminals? Were they referring to all troops or just the ones who have actually been charged with crimes?

[bigfish]

In what video did they call our troops war criminals? Were they referring to all troops or just the ones who have actually been charged with crimes?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmdrkmtkCw4

[Proud American]

Hog Wash... I comdemn this group and anyone like-minded......once a Marine ...always a Marine!!! Hog Wash

"Those who condemn their right to protest are more "Un-American" than those they condemn." If the shoe fits wear it, Marine or no Marine!

If you are in fact a Marine you should understand and support our Constitution and not be so personally offended by those who exercise their constitutional right to speak out against an unjust war that's lining the pockets of Bush/Cheney and all their wealthy defense contractors and oil partners while your fellow Marines are dying in the streets of Baghdad. That, my friend, is what you should condemn!

[bigfish]

The anniversary of 9/11 is, of course, tomorrow.
This video speaks for itself.
Support our troops and never forget 9/11!
Click on the link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF2BkJxgJd4

[Anger redirected]

"Those who condemn their right to protest are more "Un-American" than those they condemn." If the shoe fits wear it, Marine or no Marine!

If you are in fact a Marine you should understand and support our Constitution and not be so personally offended by those who exercise their constitutional right to speak out against an unjust war that's lining the pockets of Bush/Cheney and all their wealthy defense contractors and oil partners while your fellow Marines are dying in the streets of Baghdad. That, my friend, is what you should condemn!

do not forget that on 9/11 2001 we were attacked by the people code pink claims is not a threat to the united states and if you are such a "proud american" you should see that!

[Govman]

"Those who condemn their right to protest are more "Un-American" than those they condemn." If the shoe fits wear it, Marine or no Marine!

If you are in fact a Marine you should understand and support our Constitution and not be so personally offended by those who exercise their constitutional right to speak out against an unjust war that's lining the pockets of Bush/Cheney and all their wealthy defense contractors and oil partners while your fellow Marines are dying in the streets of Baghdad. That, my friend, is what you should condemn!

My friend...you just called me out and if I could reach out and touch you for questioning my integrity as a Marine...I would. If you took the time to study this group you'd know they condemn Marines who simply follow orders . Fortunately for Code Pink and LIKE-MINDED PEOPLE, Marines and service men fight for all Americans even when they choose to spit in our face. God have mercy on those that might experience being an American without the existence of our strong military force home and abroad. So go ahead and enjoy being so politically correct with your words because it's just HOGWASH to me!

[peacenik puncher]

I would not be surprised if the one who calls himself proud american spit on our soldiers coming home from vietnam! I want to reach out and touch this so called proud american too govman!

[bigfish]

do not forget that on 9/11 2001 we were attacked by the people code pink claims is not a threat to the united states and if you are such a "proud american" you should see that!


And I concur with that opinion!

[a real proud american]

and so do I

[swampfox]

Obviously there is no more discussion here, with people discussing ideas. I don't like what I saw in those videos, but they were within their rights, as would be anybody who peacefully protested against them. The "puncher" sounds out of control, at best.

Unlike many times when freedom of speech is whined about here, this truly is a case of freedom of speech. Would anybody like to actually discuss it?

Remember, popular speech doesn't need to be protected.

[Battle Ax]

Obviously there is no more discussion here, with people discussing ideas. I don't like what I saw in those videos, but they were within their rights, as would be anybody who peacefully protested against them. The "puncher" sounds out of control, at best.

Unlike many times when freedom of speech is whined about here, this truly is a case of freedom of speech. Would anybody like to actually discuss it?

Remember, popular speech doesn't need to be protected.


I saw the video of code pink going to miami and the people of miami gave them a dose of free speech they didnt count on! code pink has a right to protest without a doubt! but when you speak unpopular speech you need to prepare for the consequences. you never know how bad you are going to upset someone with your unpopular speech when the time comes

[swampfox]

You don't have to count on violence, if that's what you mean. Assault is assault and it's a crime.

My personal opinion is that these people are lightweights when it comes to protesting political issues. I can remember 40 years ago, protesting another war that never should have been. Most people were there for the party (as in drinking, drugs, etc). If anything constructive happened it was in spite of the majority of people who had come to "participate".

That's the way it always is. If you got to hit something, go buy a punchin' bag. Or better yet one of those inflatable clowns with the big red nose that you hit it and it pops right back up.

Knock yo'selves out.

[Battle Ax]

You don't have to count on violence, if that's what you mean. Assault is assault and it's a crime.

My personal opinion is that these people are lightweights when it comes to protesting political issues. I can remember 40 years ago, protesting another war that never should have been. Most people were there for the party (as in drinking, drugs, etc). If anything constructive happened it was in spite of the majority of people who had come to "participate".

That's the way it always is. If you got to hit something, go buy a punchin' bag. Or better yet one of those inflatable clowns with the big red nose that you hit it and it pops right back up.

Knock yo'selves out.


Dont get me wrong. I am not promoting violence! I am just saying before you tick someone off you REALLY need to think about what could happen to you by that someone who you tick off. To put it another way, think before you speak.

[swampfox]

OK, but the law about assault says that words alone cannot be counted as adequate provocation for physically attacking somebody. So I know I have to stay aware of where I'm saying what, but if somebody attacks me just for what I say it will be their butt that goes to jail, and comes home just a little different.

The old line about "fightin' words" was fine in the cowboy movies. Now it seems to be confined to the "gangstas" and idiots in general.

If we hit somebody for what they say, we're telling everybody that person is smarter than us. Otherwise we could say something right back.

[bigfish]

Remember the innocent victims that lost their lives on 09.11.01.
The video speaks for itself. Click on the link below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PryDPZsGSqw

[swampfox]

You know what I recommend for dealing with the Code Pink crowd.

Ignore! They have their freedom of speech and we have the freedom not to listen. If they started some really crazy stuff, like disrupting soldiers' funerals like that nutty preacher and his family were doing, it would be time to take action. As it is, I will file them in my "unimportant" archives.

[bigfish]

You know what I recommend for dealing with the Code Pink crowd.

Ignore! They have their freedom of speech and we have the freedom not to listen. If they started some really crazy stuff, like disrupting soldiers' funerals like that nutty preacher and his family were doing, it would be time to take action. As it is, I will file them in my "unimportant" archives.


This is true, but sometimes it is good to know what these wack-jobs are up to!

[????????]

Ignore! They have their freedom of speech and we have the freedom not to listen

Good alternative to deleting posts, as well...

[swampfox]

What do you mean, QMM? Do you mean to ignore posts that are mean-spirited and abusive toward individuals?

No board worth being on does that. We have rules for a reason.

Write all the opinions you want. Argue about them if you feel you should. But keep the discussion about ideas, not individuals.

Of course there are some exceptions to this rule, such as with politicians. But even with them, let's talk about their ideas, not their bikinis.

[bigfish]

What do you mean, QMM? Do you mean to ignore posts that are mean-spirited and abusive toward individuals?

No board worth being on does that. We have rules for a reason.

Write all the opinions you want. Argue about them if you feel you should. But keep the discussion about ideas, not individuals.

Of course there are some exceptions to this rule, such as with politicians. But even with them, let's talk about their ideas, not their bikinis.



I saw a pic of Sarah Palin in a bikini and she and Mr. McCain have my vote! ;-) LOL

[TAZ]

If you can't remember the names of the victoms of 9/11, go to sconfire.com and they have the names of the 343 firemen. Just a few names that our troops are fighting for. NEVER FORGET.

[cuebald]

Our troops are not fighting for anything or with anyone connected with 9/11. I'm not even sure they are looking for Bin Laden any more.

The possible exception may be Al Quaeda in Iraq which showed up there after we did.

Saudi Arabia provided the personnel for 9/11.

[Obama bin Laden]

Our troops are not fighting for anything or with anyone connected with 9/11. I'm not even sure they are looking for Bin Laden any more.

The possible exception may be Al Quaeda in Iraq which showed up there after we did.

Saudi Arabia provided the personnel for 9/11.

Al Quaeda was in Iraq when the US invaded.

[cuebald]

Wrong.

Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden couldn't stand each other. Al Quaeda was never active in Iraq before the U.S. invasion and occupation.

[swampfox]

Saddam didn't put up with anybody who even wanted to have any influence over people in his Iraq. No al-Qaeda there in his day, nor Taliban either.

[TAZ]

I have finally been able to see these videos that ya'll have put up and read each post. As an American, I'm hurt to see our once great country become what it has. I feel that we're not about helping one another but more about ourselves. This group code pink is surely not thinking straight. They make comments like Al Qeuda is not a threat to us. Now correct if I'm wrong but didn't four planes get high jacked on September 11, 2001? And didn't three of those planes reach their targets? Was it not proved that members of the Al Qeuda group were responsible? Also didn't the leaders of the Al Qeuda group take responsibility for the attacks? Next point. One lady said that WWII was an unjust war and why were we in Hawaii. Last I thought that Hawaii is one of the fifty states of the USA. Once again correct if I'm wrong on anything. Didn't Europe ask us several times to help them fight but we wouldn't? Didn't Japan attack us first in which awoke the sleeping dragon? Now I do remember something about us giving supplies in the beginning but wasn't that it? In both wars we were attacked first. What did we do to deserve these attacks? Another thing, they are calling the troops murders. I lost a friend. A friend that I grew up with. David was allowed to come home for his first child's birth. Three weeks later his group were making a routine inspection of the local town and were ambushed by Al Qeuda. My friend was killed. I get to see his son just about everyday and it hurts me to know that he'll never get to know his dad. This is not the only story of it's kind. Code pink needs to open up their eyes and see the big picture. Swamp you asked the others do they condemn these people. I don't but I wish they could be taken to the middle east and have the chance to talk with the troops and fight along side of them. That would give them the answers that they don't have and also prove them wrong on some of their ideas.

[swampfox]

On 9-11 only an unplanned schedule change in a business meeting kept my first cousin from being in the WTC as the planes crashed into them. It was a day before we knew if he was alive or not. That's as directly personal as it got for me.

But it was something much deeper, a feeling that has not gone away, seeing on live TV our country under attack in incidents that left thousands of Americans and (seeing as this was the World Trade Center) citizens of many other countries killed senselessly by criminals.

That's one thing I'd like to offer now as food for thought. This was not an act of war because it did not come from a particular foreign country. This was a gigantic mass murder by common criminals, and psychotic ones at that. The group Taliban seems to have hosted the planning of the attack, and they were mostly located in Afghanistan, but it is very likely that the whole thing was financed by criminal psychos in the Saudi royal family. And the terrorists themselves were from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and (I think) Egypt. Not one of them was Iraqi. Their funding did not come from Iraq. They did not train in Iraq (Saddam would never have allowed a foreign "militia" in his country). We had every right to go after the Taliban, including bin Laden, in Afghanistan, and most of the world seems to agree with that. Many of our allies joined us there, and many are still there.

But why Iraq? There was created what would become the "Bush Doctrine" that said that we have a right to attack countries that we think might attack us. (I imagine even Mrs. Palin knows this by now.) So what reason did we have to believe that Iraq might follow up the Taliban and attack us too? Some very flimsy, already discounted by some of our allies' secret services, and, as it turned out, untrue intelligence that Saddam had nuclear weapons that he meant to use against us. We haven't found them. Doesn't mean he couldn't get them. There are still hundreds of nuclear warheads unaccounted for from when the Soviet Union dissolved and I have heard that many are for sale on the arms black market. But the premise that he already had them was just not true.

So ever since the invasion, especially after we quickly defeated Saddam's military we have had to come up with one excuse after another for even being there. We said we wanted to establish democracy there. We helped them have elections. But that "government" quickly announced that it had no intention of having democracy as we know it but rather would govern under Islamic law. Plus, the whole thing pretty much dissolved over religious differences anyway, and now they say that they want us out, but still we won't go. Not under Bush. Not under McCain. What a mess. We have seen a number of videos linked to this site showing US soldiers, some without arms or legs, telling why we need to be there, but there are many more US soldiers, including my buddy the Army Rangers major who has been over there four times, who would tell you a completely different story. And we have seen for ourselves reports from all sides showing that we have equipped our military very poorly in some instances, and treated our wounded veterans in incredibly shameful ways when they got home, many losing their homes, their families, and their sanity in the process.

So there are many reasons to be against the war, but there is no defensible reason to be against, or for gosh sakes to wish harm upon, our soldiers and returning veterans. They, but not their high-level leadership, are deserving of our highest respect and gratitude.

So then what about Code Pink? A pathetic excuse for a political "movement", and an offensive one. But I say what we do about them is ignore them. They are exercising their constitutional right to free speech and we can all exercise our rights to not listen. They are not worth a paragraph, much less an article, in any major news source. There are many people and groups that we have to ignore, at least until they do something clearly illegal. Polluting industries. Cheating financial institutions. Lying politicians of every category. All of these we must oppose at every opportunity, and be ready to pounce when they take that last little step too far. We must certainly stop re-electing them, allowing them to profit from the trust that we wish we could have in our government and our society, but cannot.

So if the Code Pink people made anybody mad, they accomplished their mission. Ignore them and all of their work is for nothing.

[bigfish]

Ignore them and all of their work is for nothing.

The words I quoted above are so true! Those same words could apply to many different types of people and many different types of situations! Let's pray that all of us will apply this principle when such a time comes!