Obama wins Penn?

[swampfox]

It looks like Hillary's lead has shrunk to just about nothing in Pennsylvania. The TV guys say she has to win it by 20 points to stay in the race. Of course she could continue running even if she loses.

My complaint about her now is that she is polarizing the Democrats very badly. Unless she quits soon, she may actually hand the election to McCain, who couldn't beat either Democrat in a fair fight.

Should she quit if she doesn't win Pennsylvania?

[cuebald]

She'll quit when the money runs out. They all do.

Her campaign is in the grease now by a million and a half or so. Her "inside" polls say she is winning by 11 points. The national polls have Obama up by seven. The Mason-Dixon poll ( courtesy of Zoofuzz) says gun owners and bowlers are more likely to support Hillary, but Obama is stronger with beer drinkers. This may be a poll we can rely on where real people get asked questions.

If she doesn't win Pennsylvania decisively, the dollars are going to slow to a trickle and peter out altogether in less than a month. There is one absolute in politics, which is, "Money follows the winner".

Tomorrow we find out whether Pennsylvania has more rednecks than South Carolina. That alone is worth the price of admission. I'm excited.

[Captain Worley]

Oh, Hillary's gonna take this all the way to the convention. Thanks to the both of them, I think McCain will win handily in November.

[ZooFuzz]

Misleading Pennsylvania Voters
http://www.newsweek.com/id/133122





It really is insulting and degrading to watch 2 people who want to be the next president, act like a couple of kids, slinging mud and having temper tantrums.

[swampfox]

I'm currently re-reading after many years Walden Two, by BF Skinner (published in 1948 ). In some ways it's another novel about what the future could be like, sort of like Brave New World or 1984.

In it he says that no meaningful change can come through the political process. I think he was right.

[TahoeT]

The polls closed 10 minutes ago and it's Too Close To Call" according to the pundits and other assorted jackasses. Exit polls are showing 52% Clinton to 48% Obama right now. With Clinton once commanding a 20+% lead, I'd say Obama won.

The media is so biased towards Clinton it's frightening. They're talking about how Hillary Democrats will flock to McCain if Obama gets the nomination, how he can't win the White House.

I can only assume that this would mean all of the women who are supporting Hillary solely because she is a woman will then vote Republican instead of voting for a black man?!?

Sorry. The @#&%$ pundits are wrong. I am so @#&%$ tired of these people twisting and distorting the news.

There are 103 pledged delegates at stake (we voted for 6 of them - 3 male, 3 female - based on our congressional district) and 55 who will be awarded proportionately from the total vote count. At the absolute most, Hillary may pick up 82 delegates. Obama would still get 76 - and still be in the lead.

Oh... and BTW... When when she and her husband were having marital difficulties regarding Monica Lewinsky, who did she and Bill bring to the White House for ’spiritual counseling?’ THE REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT!”

She is such a fraud.

[swampfox]

MSNBC just projected her to win PA.

[Captain Worley]

She won by 6%. I predicted (on another board) 7%.

[swampfox]

The TV news guys were saying before the PA primary that she had to win at least in double digits to make it feasible for her to continue to run. I haven't heard what they are saying now.

[Captain Worley]

I just checked CNN and it looks like she did have a double digit victory. 10 points is huuuuge.

[swampfox]

Yeah, but her delegate deficit did not change much. It doesn't look like she can catch up before the convention. A lot of the big Democrats are saying that if the superdelegates choose her over Obama when she is behind on pledged delegates it will tear the party apart and give the election to McCain.

We'll see.

[Captain Worley]

The funny thing is the whole point of the superdelegates is to avoid the popular vote picking someone who is unelectable. I always thought this was an evil contradiction of the will of the people. Looks like it might come back to bite them.

I still think Hillary will take it all the way to the convention, and beyond, if she doesn't get chosen there.

It certainly is interesting to watch, that's for sure.

[swampfox]

It is totally against democratic (not party) principles.

Well, at least we got something interesting to watch other than American Idol.

[better days]

I'm thinking Hillary will get the nomination. Bill Clinton is still a very powerful world figure. This is just me talking here with my new theory. Bill is working behind the scenes making sure our fuel prices stay very high. He cannot directly control the Feds using interest rates or other measures to prop up the economy during the election season. Keeping fuel prices high will help Democrats and if it makes it to the convention Hillary wins with a little arm twisting by Bill for the votes necessary. OPEC members will soon start saying things favorable about Hillary. If the timing is right Obama is lightly browned toast.

[swampfox]

Last night on MSNBC they had one of those statistics guys who pointed out that Hillary would have to get 70% of all of the remaining delegates in all of the states yet to have primaries. It doesn't seem likely. The states that she has won have mostly been by narrow margins. If the superdelegates change the will of the people at the convention there may never be another Democrat elected again.

If history is any guide, fuel prices will fall dramatically between the big party conventions and the election in an attempt to make people feel good about having a Republican in the White House.

Overall I think that the two major parties have a lot more in common in terms of being disingenuous, even dishonorable, than they have differences. I think we'd be a lot better off if we had three or more large parties.