Sanford, Black Caucus, Switzer and Roark

[Kronos]

The recent resignations from DPS Director Switzer and SCHP Colonel Roark are an example of political correctness at it’s worst. Governor Sanford ® sacrificial offering is another example of his inability to decipher between right and wrong; you have to question his leadership or lack of. The two incidents in question happened three or more years ago. Have they not been addressed? I have watched two videos, are there more? If so, where are they? The video showing the female handcuffed to the bumper is not race related. It was a dangerous and stupid decision by the trooper. Regardless of her race, it should have never happened, period! But why did the black leaders release it? The second video showed a slip of the tongue during a dangerous situation. Should he have said that word? No. Has he been accused of using that word before? Demanding the trooper’s termination is extreme and accepting these resignations is plain absurd. Pandering to any race is a step backwards for all South Carolinians.

Troopers, show your support to Switzer and Roark. You have sick leave- use it! Work your accidents but don’t write another ticket.

[swampfox]

A more immature post would be difficult to find, and very difficult to create.

[Kronos]

Your mamma.

[swampfox]

No, it's YOUR mama.

I got proof.

[Kronos]

Do you have a momma?

[Kronos]

Swampy, the sick leave and no ticket day is far fetch and on the crazy side, I agree. You can't tell me you don't see a problem with the removal of the director and colonel?

[swampfox]

No, you're right. It was calling for sick days and declining to write tickets that bothered me. The rest I don't know much about personally, but I'll take your word for it. No disagreement there.

But you got to be careful about such as the sick leave days. We got some yahoos that might take it seriously and I don't think they should.

[anti-babble]

http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=21169

http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=31493


Read these articles and notice that each Trooper is now a Former Trooper. Also notice the White Trooper recieved more jail time. I can't see where the white guy got special treatment. Why wasn't a comparison made on these cases?

[Gator96]

*tsk* Don't you know THAT would be politically incorrect? The black caucus sees only what it WANTS to.

[shamrock]

The Black Caucus claims that African Americans aren't promoted to positions where they supervise large numbers of people in the Dept of Public Safety.

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't Col. Amos of Transport Police and Chief Wise of Protective Services African American? Doesn't that make two out of three division leaders African American?

Now to the Highway Patrol. The Lt. Col. and two out of four Majors are African American...so that's half the command staff.

What was their arguement again?

[Gator]

Not to mention that out of 7 troop barracks in the state of South Carolina there are 4 out of 7 black commanders of each troop. Now who is the racist.

[Down but not Out]

My question is why did it take 3 to 4 years for this to be brought to the public's attention?? I agree that both incidents are not the correct thing to do, but WHY bring it up now?? Where was the Black Caucus when these items were were current events, not history?? Someone has nothing better to do that to search history for slip ups by people. Pay attention to current problems and address them before they are 3 years old.

:(

[Kronos]

The Captain in the Orangeburg District, while a sergeant and on duty, was seen jumping out a window of his girl friends house. The problem was her husband came home. That husband was arrested for criminal domestic violence. As a Captain, the newly elected lieutenant colonel was part of the fiasco involving the lane reversal from the coast during the hurricane season. Both were promoted and transferred and yes, both are of African decent.

Did our illustrious governor not display racism when he nominated Mr. Lloyd for Chief of SLED? Paraphrasing here…. If the appointment were based solely on qualifications he would appoint Mr. Keel. He wanted to raise the glass ceiling. He wanted to give that little boy in Hampton County a chance. Well, he took the dream away from the little boy who grew up in Barnwell.

Sanford is trying to appease the black caucus for his slip of the tongue at the expense of honorable men.

[shamrock]

Sanford is trying to appease the black caucus for his slip of the tongue at the expense of honorable men.

IMO Sanford is trying to avoid any controversy between now and the 2008 Republican National Convention.

[Unreal]

Well what if the troopers in these videos where black, and handcuffed a white woman to a bumper. What if they told a white man to run or I will kill you, you white mother****er. Would there be such a stir. I admit the handcuffing to the bumper was pretty stupid, but people under stress say and do things they may not necessarily mean. The trooper was totally out of line using a racist remark, and I don't defend what he said, but he was punished. But of course this is all about political correctness and catering to certain people. The United States of the Offended, what a country!!!

[swampfox]

Don't tase me, bro!

[TruthBTold]

My question is why did it take 3 to 4 years for this to be brought to the public's attention?? I agree that both incidents are not the correct thing to do, but WHY bring it up now?? Where was the Black Caucus when these items were were current events, not history?? Someone has nothing better to do that to search history for slip ups by people. Pay attention to current problems and address them before they are 3 years old.

:(

The real question is how many tapes did they go through before they found just these 2.
How many did they find where black troopers were racist to white and/or black people....I guess those don't count.
How many black troopers (rank of FSGT and above) are promoted because instead of earning the position, they sued for it and DPS settled out of court and promoted them.

[cu_tiger78]

My question is why did it take 3 to 4 years for this to be brought to the public's attention?? I agree that both incidents are not the correct thing to do, but WHY bring it up now?? Where was the Black Caucus when these items were were current events, not history?? Someone has nothing better to do that to search history for slip ups by people. Pay attention to current problems and address them before they are 3 years old.

:(

'cause Sanfraud is a potentil running mate with Juan McCain!

[swampfox]

Man, you got to work on spelling. I mean, didn't they go over that at da CU?

In what year do most Clemson students learn that their team is NOT the "taggers"?

[ZooFuzz]

http://www.thestate.com/statewire/story/353669.html




Conflict of Interest. There are more than several former State Troopers working for SLED. Can't wait see how this comes out.

[ZooFuzz]

http://videos.thestate.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=1790099 (http://videos.thestate.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=1790099)

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Raw video supplied by the S.C. Department of Public safety. In this incident from January 2008, a trooper uses a taser to bring an uncooperative woman



This Trooper did exactly what he was trained to do and no matter how polite or patient he was, the BC still call this a rascist event. This is not about black or white, it's about complying with a Law Enforcement Officer in the performance of his/her duties. What's your opinion?

[Palmetto Moonshine]

How in this world was that supposed to be racist. This Trooper went beyond polite and patient. He handled himself with a vast amount of calm that I know I would not have been able to maintain (that's why I could not be in Law Enforcement).

I know! - It was her intent to provoke the Trooper to violence in order to get rich "this is a lawsuit, this is a lawsuit."

No this can't be - that would mean she would have to have a small amount of intelligence and as we can see - none exists.

[swampfox]

You know, if we assume that there are two or more "sides" in this racial thing and we perceive that our "side" behaves better than the other one, but other people don't see it that way, then what we have to do, as Grandma used to say, is to show by our actions that we are above such conflicts.

I'm not talking about this cop incident as a conflict. But there are both white and black racist organizations posing as decent socially-interested parties, which they are not, and the one who loses that conflict will be the last one that persists with bad behavior. For example, some people rightfully recognize that the NAACP has evolved into a racist group over the years, and they might have something to say about it except then they see the jacklegs in confederate outfits waving flags and generally behaving equally like scum on the steps of our state house at every opportunity and they just say, "So what? They deserve each other. Nothing to discuss."

Is this so hard to see?

[ZooFuzz]

From a former member of the SCHP

If you're going to bring forth some stories of brutality, then bring forth all.

In the early 90's a young Sumter County (white) Trooper stop to assist a disabled motorist with a flat tire. While changing that man's (black) tire, the Trooper went to the back of the vehicle to get the spare tire and saw a small bag of dope under the tire. Before the Trooper had a chance to perform his duty, the assailant came up from behind and beat the Trooper in the back of the head with a tire iron and left him for dead. The Trooper was able to call for help and survived the attack, but this ended his career because of severe headaches and dizzy spells. I noticed that this item was NEVER covered by the BC or NAACP and not even considered a racist incident. Because the Trooper performed the traffic stop according to his training, his assailant was caught and punished.

I guess this means that it is perfectly acceptable that an "AA" can attack a Law Enforcement Officer and walk away, but in heat of battle, an officer possibly fighting for his/her life is suppose to just stand there and take the abuse without fighting back.

You people in the BC, have you ever been in Law Enforcement, ever been in a situation where you're fighting for your life or the life of a fellow Officer. This men and women put their lives on the line everyday, so that you can sit in your nice cozy office and find fault with something that you have never done.

I'm not saying that any/or every officer is perfect, when your heart is racing, your adrenaline is pumping, and it's 2, 3, 4, or more against 1, you cannot always keep calm. You're always thinking is this going to end peacefully or in a battle for my life. Sometimes when you are in a situation like the ones shown, it's hard not to be angry, especially when someone is trying to kill you.

I noticed that in the video where the Trooper used a racial slur, you forgot to mention, that those men wee carrying drugs and weapons, or did that little detail just slip your minds.


Troopers Killed In The Line Of Duty
http://schp.org/memorials/titus.html
Trp. Marvin L. Titus
11/21/1991

Trooper Titus was on duty in Bamberg County when he was pursuing a stolen vehicle. A scuffle ensued between the suspect and Trooper Titus after the suspect ran off the roadway. Trooper Titus was shot by the suspect and later died from his injuries. The suspect was captured and convicted of murder. Susprect was a B/M Trooper was a B/M


http://schp.org/memorials/coates.html
L/Cpl. Mark Hunter Coates
11/20/1992

Lance Corporal Coates was on duty with the Highway Patrol’s Aggressive Criminal Enforcement (ACE) Team in Jasper County when he was attacked, shot and killed by the suspect during a traffic stop. The suspect was convicted for murder. Lance Corporal Coates was a native of Lexington County. Suspect was a B/M Trooper was a W/M


http://schp.org/in_memory.asp

http://www.odmp.org/

[swampfox]

Exactly. We could go back and forth with individual stories till kingdom come and accomplish nothing. It's time for one side or another to take the bull by the horns and rise above this schoolyard arguing and rise above.

Best of luck to whoever is smart enough to do it first. I'm doing my part.

[ZooFuzz]

The State newspaper has reviewed 70 disciplinary cases against Highway Patrol troopers in 2006 and 2007 — 50 of which were filed against white troopers.

Eleven complaints were filed against black troopers; the troopers’ races in the remaining disciplinary cases are unknown.

While action taken against the troopers ranged from verbal reminders of agency policy to firing, the majority of troopers received a verbal warning — or complaints against them were not deemed valid.

Discipline records for several of the cases were not provided.

In the case of a black Sumter woman who said a white trooper faulted her in a car accident because of her race, the trooper was exonerated.
(Another case the BC forgot to mention)

Supervisors determined his actions were within the guidelines of the law.

Troopers also were exonerated in car-chase cases that resulted in a suspect’s or an uninvolved vehicle driver’s death.
http://www.thestate.com/news-extras/story/362002.html



I wonder where the BC got their info, they didn't just pull these reports and videos out of thin air.

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[swampfox]

What is the ratio of white to black troopers in the Highway Patrol?

[I have a question]

Wasn't there a delegate that refused to respond to a trooper during a stop several years back. It was about the same thing if I remember correctly; they refused to provide the trooper with any paperwork and rolled up the window.

[Mrwonderful]

Wasn't there a delegate that refused to respond to a trooper during a stop several years back. It was about the same thing if I remember correctly; they refused to provide the trooper with any paperwork and rolled up the window.


Gilda Cobb Hunter.

she was stopped for speeding and told the Trooper that the was a legislator and was immune from arrest.

[Gator]

What is the ratio of white to black troopers in the Highway Patrol?

Of 945 troopers employed as of March 6 -- from rookie road officers to the agency's only lieutenant colonel -- 119, or about 13 percent, are black.

From The State news paper.

[ZooFuzz]

Columbia (WLTX) -- Bond has been set for the 23-year-old Columbia man police say assaulted a female officer, leaving her jaw fractured.
http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=60431

http://www.wltx.com/assetpool/images/084111845_turnerjamesfweb.jpg
James Turner


On Sunday, a female officer responding to a domestic dispute suffered injuries while trying to arrest Turner. Police say Turner hit the officer in the face with his elbow, fracturing the officer's jaw, lacerating her face, and breaking her teeth.



I noticed this didn't get the headlines like SCHP has been getting lately. I guess that means that it's alright to assault a police officer.

[Gator96]

Especially when your mother (who was the one that called the police on you in the first place) "didn't see nothin'". How absolutely disgusting.

[Mrwonderful]

Columbia (WLTX) -- Bond has been set for the 23-year-old Columbia man police say assaulted a female officer, leaving her jaw fractured.
http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=60431

http://www.wltx.com/assetpool/images/084111845_turnerjamesfweb.jpg
James Turner


On Sunday, a female officer responding to a domestic dispute suffered injuries while trying to arrest Turner. Police say Turner hit the officer in the face with his elbow, fracturing the officer's jaw, lacerating her face, and breaking her teeth.



I noticed this didn't get the headlines like SCHP has been getting lately. I guess that means that it's alright to assault a police officer.

Black guy hit a (white) Women. No news there, they do it all the time. Its a culture thing. If the women (read white cop) his this dude, the black caucus and Gov.Sanford would be up in arms.

[swampfox]

Well it looks like black cops (119 out of 945, 12.59&#37;) are complained about (11 out of 70, 15.71%) more than white cops.

Danged black cops!

[Kronos]

Until we people stand up against this type of double standard it will continue. Of all the video’s exploited by the media and this caucus, how many depict a black trooper? Until recently, they all showed white versus black; maybe they ran out of videos and resorted to white on white.

What can common decent people do? The problem is when those who protest this double standard are automatically labeled a racist. We need to support these troopers! I am sure some trooper’s are questioning and reconsidering their profession. Where is the South Carolina Trooper’s Association? Hell! Where is the Colonel? Where are the legislators that were given breaks for speeding? Is there someone out there with the gonads to make a stand!! This silence is deafening!!!!

[cuebald]

Nope.

They have to make a choice. Their cojones or their jobs.

Been that way since Adam and Eve.

[Look deeper]

I think they need to look deeper in every aspect. What are the proportions throughout DPS, Transport and Protective Services, of black and white? How many applicants of each race have been turned away? Hired? How many transferred to other departments in the state? There are a lot of other things that need to be looked at.

Support your local law enforcement.

E-mail your reps, tell them we need stronger leaders and DEMAND they stop persecuting those that provide THEIR protections.

[ZooFuzz]

305

[ZooFuzz]

http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=60909

Number 2 man for a small agency is now the Number 1 man of the largest Law Enforcement Agency in the State.

[padre]

Well, SLED has always wanted control over the Highway Patrol, I guess now they'll get it.

[padrewho?]

Well, SLED has always wanted control over the Highway Patrol, I guess now they'll get it.

First time I ever heard that one... maybe in your small world!

[swampfox]

No, it was ME!! I wanted control of the Highway Patrol!!!

I may not get it this time, but one of these days....one of these days....!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!