Ann Coulter Has No Shame

[cuebald]

I think she has stepped off the deep end in her Rush to Excellence -

NEW YORK Syndicated columnist and author Ann Coulter appeared on the Today Show this morning, promoting a new book. Host Matt Lauer asked her to explain certain remarks in the book aimed at activist 9/11 widows, including her charge that they were nothing but celebrity-seeking "broads" who are "enjoying" their husbands' deaths.

After she defended these statements, he closed by saying, "always fun to have you here."

The transcript follows at

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002614297

[GRITS]

And you expected better?

[swampfox]

I was just about to leave a post on this subject. She is disgusting, to put it most charitably. She has many fans, no doubt some of them in these parts.

Anybody care to defend her recent atrocities?

[Captain Worley]

Well, not to defend her, but she is entitled to her opinions, no matter how stupid. I haven't read her book, and probably won't, but is that the whole sublect of the book? I'm going out on a limb, and guessing that was the most stupid thing she wrote in there and the media pounced on it.

I have read one of her books, and while it made some good points, it made some bad ones as well, and was pretty poorly written. I guess these days, if you write a book that pretty much says "liberals suck" or "conservatives suck," you are pretty much gauranteed a best seller.

If you want to read some funny political stuff, pick up a book by Al Franken or P.J. O'Roarke, who are on opposite ends of the political spectrum, but both great writers.

[swampfox]

I haven't read what she wrote, but what she said on television, and then defended it later, was that the widows of those killed on 9-11 were "enjoy[ing] their husbands' deaths".

That is just not decent, and is worthy of universal condemnation.

[Captain Worley]

Sure, and she should apologize for it...but my point is, I'm sure there were a lot of other things in the book that bear reasoned discussion. He could have just said, "I strongly disagree with it and find it objectionable," and moved on to other issues.

[swampfox]

Yeah, but I could write the definitive book about how to fix the education system, and if I included "We have to do something about those stupid effing parents, mostly drunks and meth-heads", what would get the attention? And the important point is, I would know this ahead of time, and also know that, having been publicized for going way out of bounds, it is not likely that anybody would take seriously anything else I say. And they would have good reason not to.

Coulter, therefore, is either so demented that s(he) believes those women enjoyed the deaths of their husbands, or s(he) thinks that her audience is that demented and will groove on her book anyway. I suspect it's a little of both.

S(he) does have a pretty prounounced Adam's apple. And s(he) looks anorexic, which is fairly common among transexuals. Who knows?

[Captain Worley]

"We have to do something about those stupid effing parents, mostly drunks and meth-heads"

Now there's something I'd love to hear in the debates for superintendant of education!


"S(he) does have a pretty prounounced Adam's apple. And s(he) looks anorexic, which is fairly common among transexuals. Who knows?

HAHAHA That was a good one. I've never seen her, but that was funny.

[FloridaFan]

Ok guys..this is what I got out of it...tell me if I am wrong..I always welcome constructive criticism. I think her point was not that they enjoyed their husbands dying..but that opponents of the war or interest groups are using these women as their "poster-children" and how are you supposed to argue with (or against) women who lost their husbands in 9-11.
I kind of agree with her position on Cindy Sheehan too. Yeah, this lady was upset because her son died, but she is not the only one who has lost a child. And I think that when people sign up for the Army, Navy, Marines and etc. thats part of the deal. You know that at any time you could be called to war and die. Anyway..enough about that...

That is just what I thought she was trying to get across..

[swampfox]

I kind of lost interest in Cindy Sheehan when she went and held hands with that commie bastard president of Venezuela.

But RE: Coulter. If she was making the point you suggest, and that none of the words in the phrase "enjoying their husband's deaths" is to be interpreted using standard usage and dictionary meanings, for God's sake couldn't she have put it a different way? And not only did she write it that way, she repeated it, and defended it, verbatim, at least twice on television in the last two days. No, I'm sorry but this is so far out of bounds that I can't imagine decent people not being shocked by it, whether they agree with her in general or not.

This may surprise some people who have judged me: I don't like Michael Moore either, for pretty much the same reasons. I thought his first movie, "Roger and Me", about the auto industry (Ford, wasn't it?) was pretty good. But after that he let his anger or fear or hatred or whatever it is take over and I believe that he has done more harm to the causes that he appears to support than he has done them good.

The powers that be have deliberately gone out of their way to polarize the American people (Coulter's new book is a fine example, the title of which says that liberals are Godless) and they have been very successful apparently. It's one of the oldest political tricks in the world (Roman politicians wrote about it). If you can divide the people so that they write off each other in apocalyptic terms (like "godless") just because of ONE opinion (after which you're supposed to assume the rest), then you will have a lot less trouble controlling them and the state (as in "country"). One of the remarkable things about the Bush is that, with all of the divisive machinery in place, he still managed to lose control and is about to hand the government back to the Democrats, with only minor help from Tom Delay, Abramoff, etc.

[Coulter's statement may have been hinting at an opinion, but the language is so outlandish that the content almost doesn't matter.]

I think Coulter would do well to get herself looked at by some MD psychiatrists. If she has had, as it appears, a sex change, maybe that's not working out for her somehow.

[Captain Worley]

'Roger and Me' was about GM, but you are right, it was a good movie. It was good because it was FUNNY. MM seems to think it succeeded because of some kind of weird 'societal issues' because every fim he has made since then seems to be pushing ideals of his and are really not that funny, although Bowling for Columbine had a moment or two.

I kinda/sorta agree with this country being split into two radically devisive groups, or so it would seem if you only watched the TV. In reality, people I talk with, even if we diagree on a few major issues, generally have more things in common than not. The media really seems to be pushing the 'us' and 'tem' mentality.

[GRITS]

Everyone is upset about what Ann Coulter said. What about the nut at a graduation commencement at a collge making the remark that he would like to be remembered as the guy who put a bullet or shot George W. Bush in the head.

I don't think that is the direct quote because I just caught a glimpse of it on the news and of course I'm not sure of exactly what he said because the media quickly covered it up like a cat doing it's business.

As far as I am concern that is a threat and the guy should have a warrant served against him.

Ann Coulter is expressing an opinion but has not threaten to harm anyone and maybe she knows something that I don't about some of the widows of 9-ll. I may not agree with her but I am sure some women are beating a dead horse. I also don't agree with all the people saying that George Bush or Bill Clinton caused the Muslims to fly two airplanes in to the twin towers (another dead horse beating).

[swampfox]

What about the nut at a graduation commencement at a collge making the remark that he would like to be remembered as the guy who put a bullet or shot George W. Bush in the head.

He is a nut, and he committed a crime by saying what he said. He is disgusting. But this discussion is not about him.

The old "He did it too" is a way of arguing that I hoped was beneath us.

[better days]

Myself I don't really know if Ann Coulter believes what she writes. She's selling books, one of the ways she makes her living. I'm blaming the college professors that are doing a poor job of teaching the political science, journalism or any other course where human behavioral science is used. The students move on thinking they have some kinda great physioloical ability to change peoples minds while making a good living. They do make a good living but come across as an ass.

[swampfox]

I saw a commentator on MSNBC last night who said that many of Coulter's most outrageous statements were probably meant to be jokes. But that's not how they come across, regardless of what you think of their content.

If they were jokes, wouldn't she have used some of this TV coverage this week to say so? Instead she defended the exact words, repeatedly.

Maybe she is just trying to sell books. (Her book is #1 on Amazon.com). Just like Rush Limbo is trying to keep a radio audience. But that doesn't mean that they aren't vile and disgusting, and way over the bounds of decency. This is another case in which I am ashamed on behalf of my fellow Americans. Imagine how this looks to people in other countries.

Plus I really think she used to be a man.

[Lakal]

Coulter is a consumate wind-up merchant who delights in playing devil's advocate. Her femi-nazi opinions are simply clumsy, but effective, broadsides against the pompous and sanctimonious opinions that are common to social, political and cultural debates in this country. While I don't agree with the vast majority of what she says (and I don't believe that she does either) just don't take her too seriously.

Here are a few more 'Coulterisms'

"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it! It's yours.'"
-- Ann Coulter, Hannity & Colmes,June 20, 2001

On Rep. Christopher Shays (D-CT) in deciding whether to run against him as a Libertarian candidate: "I really want to hurt him. I want him to feel pain."
-- Ann Coulter, Hartford Courant, June 25, 1999

To a disabled Vietnam vet: "People like you caused us to lose that war."
-- Ann Coulter, MSNBC

"My libertarian friends are probably getting a little upset now but I think that's because they never appreciate the benefits of local fascism."
-- Ann Coulter, MSNBC, February 8, 1997

Someone emailed me this photo. Aparently there are rumors she is a man!

[cuebald]

I understand there is no record of an Ann Coulter being born in Connecticut in 1962-3 when she was supposed to have been whelped.

Name transplant or sex change? Time for RESEARCH !!!!

[GRITS]

[QUOTE=swampfox]He is a nut, and he committed a crime by saying what he said. He is disgusting. But this discussion is not about him.

The old "He did it too" is a way of arguing that I hoped was beneath us.

I never said the discussion was about him. I'm just surprised that everyone is giving Ann Coulter so much attention when this guy is receiving none. BTW I thought making fun of someone's looks was beneath us also.
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[swampfox]

I really thought somebody could be suckered into defending Ann Coulter. Sometimes I'm wrong.

The television event of the week may be Wednesday night when Jay Leno hosts Coulter and George Carlin on the same show. Who will show more class? Who will freak out first?

The first one I'd bet on. The second one I'm not sure, unless I got some odds.

BTW, I would never put somebody down because of his/her looks. But anybody who would desecrate and defile the sacred vessel of their own body by whacking off parts and modifying others is certainly given fair warning in the scriptures. Don't kill the messenger.

And I never said this other guy is receiving none.

[GRITS]

BTW, I would never put somebody down because of his/her looks. But anybody who would desecrate and defile the sacred vessel of their own body by whacking off parts and modifying others is certainly given fair warning in the scriptures. Don't kill the messenger.

You really surprise me sometimes, Swampfox!

[swampfox]

A man cannot 'become' a woman, nor a woman a man, any more than either could become a Nile crocodile under a surgeon's knife.

This may not sound as sensitive as a lot of people think I am. But this is not a sensitivity issue, and I'm not telling anybody what to do. But when you see a media figure on TV spewing the most disgusting hate, it just adds to the weirdness when they have made a vain attempt to change their gender.

I read a few blogs where guys were saying how attractive she is. WELL, THAT KIND OF CRAP IS WHY WE HAVE ANOREXIA TO BEGIN WITH. Anorexia was not known to exist before the 1960s, and other than the UK, it does not seem to occur in any other countries. But it has ruined many lives during the last 40+ years. Guys, if you need something that thin, marry a snake!!!

[FloridaFan]

I like Ann Coulter. And think about how many books she has sold just because of this! Has anyone here read the book? I just dont think its fair to criticize her and make assumptions when everyone knows as well as I do that sometimes the media will take certian sections of books and such and only publish those that would cause controversy. Could it have been phrased more 'diplomatically" probably..but thats not Ann Coulter.

[GRITS]

I'm just amazed that Swampfox, if he doesn't agree with someone starts making cutting remarks about the person's appearance and then makes cutting remarks about others who may like that person. Then he justifies it by using scripture from the Bible. Maybe he should run for office somewhere.

[Building in Dillon]

Ann Coulter wrote an article a couple of years ago about Southerners and our pride. It was a very good article. She gets "it". Whatever it is, she gets "it". If I can dig up the article, I'll post a link. I think people dislike her because she tells the truth. Things others think....she says.

[swampfox]

If I were you, Grits, I wouldn't be calling too many kettles black. Especially when you can't tell when you're being messed with.

RE: Coulter. I know that there are people here of good will who are in my age group. Tell me true, does it truly not matter to you that she says the awful things she says? If you had said similar things, wouldn't your parents have had batting practice on your behind? Didn't any adult ever explain to you that you can disagree with somebody, even express that disagreement, without resorting to speech that is just uncivilized? And to repeat, does this speech really not matter to you now?

I just don't get it. Among people I have known, all my life, if somebody said the things that Coulter, a media figure, is saying in public, people would generally respond with "be ashamed" and "your mama didn't raise you to talk like that", and NOBODY would claim to like her thereafter.

I admit it, I just don't understand. (Except with young people who were raised by a television.) See, throughout human history, people have known that it is usually in their best interest, as well as the community's, to get along with each other, and so there were just some lines that you did not cross. Coulter crosses those lines regularly. In fact it seems to be the source of her fame. And then she defends the awful things she has said, verbatim, on TV.

In the dark,

[GRITS]

Am I to understand that you are threatening me?

[swampfox]

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the best that your understanding can do. You seem to have cycles of being naive, rude, and bellicose. And then rude again. This is not the first time that I have personally been treated to your childish nastiness.

My advice to you, however, is simply to grow up.

[swampfox]

I remember now. The last time was after I had mentioned that I had a friend of many years who is an internist. You said that he probably was writing prescriptions for the purpose of getting children addicted to drugs, and I believe there was a hint that he was somehow profiting off of it.

Forget Ann Coulter. We don't have to look far to see what uncivilized behavior looks like.

[GRITS]

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the best that your understanding can do. You seem to have cycles of being naive, rude, and bellicose. And then rude again. This is not the first time that I have personally been treated to your childish nastiness.

My advice to you, however, is simply to grow up.

Maybe you should take your own advice. Call it what you want. But I can see through you and I put you up there with the Ann Coutler's of the world.

[swampfox]

Just watched Coulter (along with George Carlin!) on the Jay Leno show. While she didn't back down from what she had said, something had influenced her to be a little less evil-sounding than on her past two TV appearances.

George Carlin, who performed first, never said a word while she was talking, even though she did take a couple of minor jabs at him.

I don't know whether to be disappointed or not.

She claimed to have never slept with a liberal. Good for her.

[better days]

Ann Coulter wrote an article a couple of years ago about Southerners and our pride. It was a very good article. She gets "it". Whatever it is, she gets "it". If I can dig up the article, I'll post a link. I think people dislike her because she tells the truth. Things others think....she says.
See if you can find the link to the article Building, thats something I would like to read.

[Captain Worley]

I'd like to read it as well.

I wonder if there is a link to the Tonight Show transcript George Carlin is pretty amusing and he's smart enough to know when to shut up and let people run amok.

[swampfox]

He was great. He did this long, composed speech about himself, sounded sort of like "You Got Trouble Right Here in River City" from "The Music Man".

If I were him I would have done the same thing when Coulter came on the stage. No point in it. People who have a problem with her uncivilized manner of expressing herself, and the people who don't, are not likely to be swayed by anything.

[swampfox]

See if you can find the link to the article Building, thats something I would like to read.

Maybe this is it?

http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/uExpress/2000/02/11/553847

[Captain Worley]

That was pretty good.

You know, the battle flag really does pose quite a problem for poliicians who want the southern votes. Its fun to watch them tap dance around the questions as best they can, but fun in a sick sort of way. For once, I'd like to say, "It is a pretty flag," or "I really think the Don't Tread on Me flag better represents our country."

I'm not going to hold my breath for such an occasion.

[swampfox]

I don't think you could find an example in history in which people did not repudiate flags under which they were oppressed. For example, I suspect that British flags were selling pretty cheap at American flea markets after the Revolution. As were the flags (at least until recent times) of all countries from which our ancestors came to escape tyranny.

Much of my ancestry is Scottish (and Scots/Irish). They certainly left their homes under British oppression. You might see me displaying a Scottish flag (although I wouldn't want to see it flown on a public building), but certainly not a British flag. One branch of my family were French Huguenots. They left France because of really nasty French kings (and Popes) who wanted them chopped into little pieces for being Protestants. I would not be displaying a French royal flag (which is different from today's French flag) out of respect for them. Nor do I sympathize regarding this subject with any French royalists who might be passing through.

All Maurices aside, slavery was, to say the least, oppression. Do we really not understand why many Americans are not comfortable with having the CBF displayed, especially on public buildings? And if we do understood that, do we really want to be among those who force it into their eyesight?

[Captain Worley]

For me, the flag thing is played out. The only time you hear about it anymore is on a slow newsday, or when the politicos are trying to keep us distracted while they pull something off behind our backs.

[better days]

Good web site Swamp. The only flag I have on display is right after 9/11 I put an American flag sticker on my mail box. McCain will never win the south, but Rice would. We are a damn proud people and our race relations are far better than the media would have you believe.

[Captain Worley]

Yeah, Rice would be good and so would Powell, but I think they are both too smart to run.

McCain will never get my vote, unless he's running against someone monumentally foolish (read Edwards). I still think McCain would have been court marshalled over the incident on the Oriskany if his dad wasn't an admiral.

[swampfox]

You're right about that BD. Race relations here are no doubt better than in the rest of the country. It's that media thing again, to the point that some of our own people believe it.

[silverfox]

Yeah, Rice would be good and so would Powell, but I think they are both too smart to run.

McCain will never get my vote, unless he's running against someone monumentally foolish (read Edwards). I still think McCain would have been court marshalled over the incident on the Oriskany if his dad wasn't an admiral.

Captain:

I disagree with your spelling of court martial. I agree entirely with your assessment of Mr. McCain. I have a bit of experience with the US Armed Forces, and I will not vote for Mr. McCain. Yes, I will support Secretary of State Rice for president.

[Captain Worley]

I disagree with your spelling of court martial.

Oops! That's what happens when you type on autopilot, I guess. Sorry to all.

It was also the Forrestal, not the Oriskany he was on.

Looks like a got a two-fer in the oops department.

[cuebald]

Hitler or Coulter? Take the quiz !

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~jac3he/GiveUpQuiz/hitlercoulterquiz.html

[cuebald]

Just had a thought. Coulter has at various times proposed killing an assortment of people whose views and actions cannot be refuted in print. If someone reads her column and kills a congressman or a Supreme Court Justice (or someone else), can and will she be held liable as an accessory?

This is a serious question in light of the seven men arrested in Miami in a copycat scheme to bomb the Sears Tower in chicago.

[swampfox]

It would be up to the prosecutor and the jury. Many people have been prosecuted for soliciting murder, and the penalties are similar to those for murder itself. If somebody were to poison that Supreme Court Justice, I don't see why she should or would get off with no consequences at all.

[cuebald]

Hasa anyone else heard that Ann was once a crossdresser in Florida performing under the name "Pudenda Shenanigans"?

Google it.

[swampfox]

There was a story on the CNN website today about how republicans have thinner lips than democrats. No explanation, no clue as to what that means, but there does seem to be a pattern.

[cuebald]

But back to the topic of the post, folks.

In other news, Ann took on Elizabeth Edwards on "Hardball".

Among the hilights was when she called George Bush a "nincompoop".

Apparently she doesn't play favorites any more than a rattlesnake when she's ready to bite. And she DOES bite. Big time. Way big.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003603875 (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003603875)

[swampfox]

She is a nearly meaningless female impersonator trying to sell books. A small mind for other small minds. I pitied the poor young people standing around her and Chris Matthews.

[cuebald]

In addition to calling Bush a nincompoop, she then lauded his prosecution of the Iraq war by saying he reminded her of FDR.

You remember FDR. He started WWII so his family and friends could corner the world markets on sauerkraut and sushi. It didn't work for him, either.

[Captain Worley]

No, it worked great, Cue! I was enjoying a tasty Kraut dog at Sandy's the other day and noticed the kraut bins were manufactured by the Roosevelt Consolidated Company.

Couldn't be a coincidence, could it?

[swampfox]

Could not be a coincidence.

But speaking of Ann Coulter: Her fans and admirers do not seem to get that her public life is a put-on. She (or he) is a fairly talented actor who is making money off of the hatred and prejudices of self-professed "conservatives" and "right-wingers". I do not believe for a minute that she actually believes much of what she says.

For that matter, Rush Limbo is the same sort of thing. He is not as talented or as smart as Coulter, but he is probably not a woman.

What I'm saying was pretty much transparent on the interview that Chris Matthews did with "her" yesterday on MSNBC. She was improvising her responses, and pretty well too, to get the maximum effect from her audiences, pro and con. It's a joke, people! Don't fall for it!

I'll check to see if she actually went to U. Michigan, law school or otherwise.

[ZooFuzz]

But back to the topic of the post, folks.

In other news, Ann took on Elizabeth Edwards on "Hardball".

Among the hilights was when she called George Bush a "nincompoop".

Apparently she doesn't play favorites any more than a rattlesnake when she's ready to bite. And she DOES bite. Big time. Way big.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003603875 (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003603875)

Elizabeth Edwards Turns Tables On Coulter

John Edwards' Wife Confronts Pundit On TV Show

http://www.wyff4.com/politics/13580430/detail.html



Elizabeth Edwards said she did not consult her husband before confronting Coulter on the air, adding that she felt the pundit's remarks were "a dialogue on hatefulness and ugliness."

"I'm making this call as a mother. I'm the mother of that boy who died," she said.

"It debases political dialogue," Edwards said. "It drives people away from the process. We can't have a debate about issues if you're using this kind of language."

Coulter responded with a laugh and charged that Edwards was calling on her to stop speaking altogether. She questioned why Elizabeth Edwards was making a phone call on behalf of her husband, and she criticized John Edwards for "stealing doctors' money" during his successful career as a trial lawyer.



Catfight!!

[swampfox]

See what I mean? She got out of her comfort zone and did not pull it off well at all. She and her kind are a trick on the simple-minded, and that's all.

[cuebald]

Great things, like Ann Coulter, never change. They just get better with age.

She's back, and this time she has a new group to ravage.

From Editor & Publisher:

NEW YORK - Appearing on Donny Deutsch's CNBC show, "The Big Idea," on Monday night, columnist/author Ann Coulter suggested that the U.S. would be a better place if there weren't any Jewish people and that they needed to "perfect" themselves into -- Christians.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003657196

I wonder how much support she will garner in this 'neck' of the woods?

[swampfox]

Lots, unfortunately.

I don't really believe her stories anymore. She's just trying to see how much money she can take off of the dumb rednecks, which turns out to be HUGE!

Did I say "she"? Take a look at "her" adam's apple the next time you see "her" on TV.

[cuebald]

I have noticed it is very difficult to find a photo of "her" where either she is off in the distance or text hasn't been superimposed over "her" throat. Go to her website and you'll see what I mean.

[swampfox]

Dang! The pictures on her web page have been photoshoppped! You can actually see where they kind of "airbrushed" her throat in the pictures where it is visible.

So she's a transvestite (at least), anorexic, and thoroughly insensitive to the feelings of others. Man, what a package for psychologists to study. I don't think she could keep the act up long enough to run for a major office though, so we're probably safe there. But very interesting.

"Life's evening sun is sinking low
A few more days and I must go,
To meet the deeds that I have done,
Where there will be no setting sun."

[MooBoy]

She's a typical republican.

Vote Democratic.

[Gator96]

Ann Coulter is VERY foolish to take on God's chosen... VERY. :shock:

[Captain Worley]

The Syrians found this out the hard way. The Iranians may be next.

[swampfox]

Most of you have probably seen the latest depravities by Ann Coulter. She now thinks that Jews shouldn't live in America.

This has gone well beyond the point of he/she/I have (has) his/her/my opinion and we're all entitled to our opinions. Entitled, yes, but don't confuse this with some kind of equality among opinions. The things that Ann Coulter says are calculated to excite the lowest common denominators in our society. In another time she would have found another way to make a living, not because there wouldn't have been an audience for her hatefulness, but there would not likely have been an audience that would show its face. Nobody would have wanted to have been seen buying her books. Any public agreement with her would have been greeted by looks that said, "Maybe you could have kept that to yourself," and the speaker's whole family would have been shamed. But after so many years of "neo-conservative" amorality there is a market for her cartoonish brand of politics enough to keep her doing it and making her rich in the process.

Not that I believe for one minute that she actually means what she says; She knows what will set off the grimiest of the dregs of society, and nowadays, gosh, if it's on TV it must be OK, right?

Powerful enemies of America are making good progress in destroying what America has always stood for, and their spokespeople are Coulter, Limbaugh, O'Reilly and their kind. Please don't make the mistake of believing that since they have some measure of popularity that their speech, while protected under the Constitution, has any shred of decency about it. American patriots have got to stand up to these people once and for all, and not let up until their lies and twisted sociopathic nature can no longer be hidden behind the microphone, the camera, or, sadly, the White House.

[better days]

I'm a very independent person by nature. To be offended by media entertainers rarely happens to me but to get elected president nowadays you have to be a guest on the view and hug Whoopie. Now thats offensive. If you like to be entertained with politics and Brit and K-fed updates go for it but don't blow a fuse by taking it seriously.

[swampfox]

You're right, BD. But did you see that story on the news where some political activist was pursuing a US representative in what looked like a drug store with his camera on? What happened was that one of the Congressman's staffers got right in the camera guy's face and went off on him, saying that he was "not an American", "not a citizen", etc. He also called him an "activist" like it was a dirty word. Now I would not have done what the camera guy did (I don't think) but he had every right to do what he did. Makes you wonder what we fought that Revolution for.

That is why I would call this representative and his staffer the real enemies of America. They must be stood up to, and no backing down. They are accustomed to their political opponents backing down. Not anymore. The staffer could have said nothing and walked away.

The whole face of poltical discourse has changed dramatically. The so-called "neo-conservatives" have had a free ride for too long. All it takes is to force their dirty behavior out into the open (which is supposed to be the purpose of a free press) and they melt like the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz.

The worst thing about Coulter is not what she says, but rather the people who take comfort and justification for their own prejudices and hatred because of what she says. I saw pretty much the exact same process at work when I was teaching at DJJ. A lot of the kids there took a lot of comfort in the pro-criminal messages of the biggest-selling "gangsta" rappers. It helped them justify in their own minds some of the worst mistakes they had ever made.

The media is/are a lot more powerful than even most of us think. Rather than giving us information that we use to make up our own minds, a great many people let the media make up their minds for them, saving them energy in much the same way that the lion saves energy by going after only the slowest or even sickest zebras. If they only went after the strongest fastest ones they would soon starve to death. Laziness, the tendency to spend as little energy as possible, is built into all living creatures by Nature's design. Humans, in order to have this thing called civilization, must overcome that tendency AT LEAST as far as using their brains is concerned.

It's too bad that many people don't.

[Captain Worley]

What did she say?

[swampfox]

She said that Jews could not be real citizens of the US because our country was founded on Christianity (which it was not). She went on to say that Jews should be "perfected" by converting them to Christianity. She went on about how we believe in the Old Testament (basically the same as the Hebrew Torah, plus some additional material) but that the New Testament is really what matters.

I heard on the news last night that she went even further in a subsequent interview, but I didn't hear what it was.

[Captain Worley]

Sadly, I'll have to say I've heard the Old/New Testamnet thing before.

In church.

Regarding AC, she's in the same group as Al, Jesse, and the others Swamp mentioned. Just rabble rousers trying to make money for themselves by getting people stirred up.

[swampfox]

And you know Jesse is the one who disappoints me the most. He was Dr. King's right hand man, had every reason to become an important leader. But you're right, he's made himself into a media buffoon like the rest of them.

Dang.

[Captain Worley]

Yeah, you're right. Kings message of unity became Jesse's message of devisiveness, and look at the result.

Shameful.

[cuebald]

A preacher without a church, a politician without an office, a leader without direction.

A nose without peer, kept where it doesn't belong most of the time for all the wrong reasons. I'm surprised he doesn't work for Homeland Security or FEMA. He's a natural.